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<p class="MsoNormal">As long as we don’t lose the policy synchronization/push/whatever piece that started this whole effort last year, I’m fine with it being under a larger ‘authorization’ umbrella.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Selfishly, I have far less concerns about a variety of PEPs being able to interact with different PDPs than I do with how does one keep the policy that resides in a multitude of PDPs somewhat in sync. From the trench I work in, my difficulties
all spring from lack of PAP-PDP Interop much more so than PDP-PEP. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> policy-charter <policy-charter-bounces@lists.openid.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Hughes via policy-charter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 23, 2023 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Policy Charter Mail List <policy-charter@lists.openid.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes@pingidentity.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] Re: [policy-charter] Link to PDP-PEP Interop WG Charter draft document<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone else want to weigh in on this? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm onboard with Pieter's suggestion that the attached document describes a deliverable of a larger work group - if so, I'd like to get closure on the description quickly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope it's a simple and non-controversial deliverable...<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 4:30 AM Pieter Kasselman via policy-charter <<a href="mailto:policy-charter@lists.openid.net">policy-charter@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE">My perspective is that we should have one Work Group focused on authorization with multiple deliverables (e.g. OpenID Connect and SSF for example has multiple
deliverables) to start with. This way everyone interested in the authorization topic has visibility into the different work items and we get the benefit of wider participation and review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE">Agreed that something with Authorization in the name would make sense, something like AuthZEN Framework (AuthoriZation ExchaNge Framework) or AuthIT/AuthZIT Framework
(Authorization Interoperability Technology Framework)….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Foster via policy-charter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 16, 2023 10:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Policy Charter Mail List <<a href="mailto:policy-charter@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">policy-charter@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Allan Foster <<a href="mailto:allan@macguru.com" target="_blank">allan@macguru.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [policy-charter] Link to PDP-PEP Interop WG Charter draft document<span lang="EN-IE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">So, I wonder if we should do two different WGs, or one WG with two different standards….
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-IE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Friday, Jun 16, 2023 at 14:02, Alex Babeanu via policy-charter <<a href="mailto:policy-charter@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">policy-charter@lists.openid.net</a>>
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