<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Active clients or no active clients -- I am in full support of creating best practices (using research) for login/connect style actions across a variety of platforms. Regardless of the technology used (and whether or not the technology actually exists yet), RP adoption depends on having a clear set of standards.<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think that the full spectrum makes sense as we would want consistent UX given that the charter of the core working group has the full spectrum<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>George Fletcher<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:37 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID user experience<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ggrayum@janrain.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ggrayum@janrain.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>; Vidya Shivkumar; Joseph Smarr;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:specs-ui@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">specs-ui@lists.openid.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:specs-council@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">specs-council@openid.net</a>; David Recordon<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Draft OpenID 2.x User Experience working group charter<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">So I'm one who would like to see the UX for a full "spectrum of clients" be included in the charter. I think that many of the UX issues related to redirects and SP-Initiated logins can be solved with more "active" clients. I would like to see experiences that rely on more than persistent cookies or HTML5 local storage as the mechanism to remember user's preferences. Of course the UX for a user without an "active" client should work and be as smooth as possible.<br><br>Thanks,<br>George<br></span><br>On 5/31/10 6:27 PM, Chris Messina wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Mike Jones prepared the initial version of this charter, and I took the liberty of renaming v.Next to 2.x, and made compatibility with 2.x an explicit goal of this work.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I'm reluctant of the applicability of this work to active clients and have subsequently removed this line:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">produce user experience guidelines for supporting for a spectrum of clients, including passive clients per current usage, thin active clients, and active clients with OP functionality,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Feedback welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(a) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><u>Charter</u></i>.</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(i)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>WG name:</b> OpenID 2.x User Experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(ii)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Purpose:</b> Produce a user experience specification or family of specifications for OpenID 2.x that address the limitations and drawbacks present in the OpenID 2.0 that limit OpenID’s applicability, adoption, usability, privacy, and security. Specific goals are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">produce user experience guidelines for less intrusive authentication user experiences than full-page browser redirect,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">produce user experience guidelines for controlled and uncontrolled release of attributes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">produce user experience guidelines for use of identities and attributes by non-browser applications,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">produce user experience guidelines for optimized protocol flows combining authentication, attribute release, and resource authorization,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">produce user experience guidelines for use of OpenID on mobile devices,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', serif; ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">seamlessly integrate with and complement the other OpenID 2.x specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; min-height: 15px; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Compatibility with OpenID 2.x is an explicit goal for this work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; min-height: 15px; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(iii)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Scope:</b> Produce a current generation OpenID user experience specification or specifications, consistent with the purpose statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(iv)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Proposed List of Specifications</b>: OpenID 2.x User Experience and possibly related specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(v)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Anticipated audience or users of the work:</b> Implementers of OpenID Providers, Relying Parties, Active Clients, and non-browser applications utilizing OpenID.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(vi)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Language in which the WG will conduct business</b>: English.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(vii)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Method of work: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>E-mail discussions on the working group mailing list, working group conference calls, and face-to-face meetings at the Internet Identity Workshop and OpenID summits.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(viii)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Basis for determining when the work of the WG is completed:</b> Work will not be deemed to be complete until there is a consensus that the resulting protocol specification or family of specifications fulfills the working group goals. Additional proposed changes beyond that initial consensus will be evaluated on the basis of whether they increase or decrease consensus within the working group. The work will be completed once it is apparent that maximal consensus on the draft has been achieved, consistent with the purpose and scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(b) <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><u>Background Information</u></i>.</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(i)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Related work being done in other WGs or organizations</b>: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID-User-Interface-Work-Group-Proposal" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Draft User Interface (UI) Extension</a>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/ulx/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Kantara Universal Login Experience (ULX)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>working group.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://rpxnow.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">RPX product design</a>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://developers.facebook.com/docs/authentication/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Facebook Authentication Guidelines</a>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Google user authentication research</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(ii)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Proposers:</b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Chris Messina,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 101, 204); ">chris.messina@gmail.com</span></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(chair)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Dick Hardt,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 101, 204); "><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Additional proposers to be added here</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-bottom: 1.5pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(iii)</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Anticipated Contributions</b>: None.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Chris Messina<br>Open Web Advocate, Google<br><br>Personal:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://factoryjoe.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Follow me on Buzz:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://buzz.google.com/chrismessina" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://buzz.google.com/chrismessina</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>...or Twitter:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>This email is: [ ] shareable [X] ask first [ ] private<br><br><o:p></o:p></div><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; 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font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-user-experience" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-user-experience</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></pre></div>_______________________________________________<br>specs mailing list<br><a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>