I'm of the opinion that OpenID needs to do more than just pair-wise identity. Especially if we hope to compete in the marketplace.<div><br></div><div>I look at Google Friend Connect and Facebook Connect and Twitter Connect and think that there's an industry-wide need to establish what "connect" means...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Recordon wrote up something along these lines previously:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/02/anatomy-of-connect.html">http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/02/anatomy-of-connect.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>We had the "open stack" brand floating around, but that doesn't actually give us a set of defined things that developers should be able to take for granted when building their app. And that's a fundamental problem that OpenID needs to address — "lossy identity flows". Facebook provides every developer essentially equal access to a profile and a list of friends — these things make it possible to build social apps. OpenID has erred on the side of privacy and as a result, offers many fewer building blocks to create social apps. You get login, but not much else — without failing back on inconsistently supported extensions like SREG and AX. <br>
<div><br></div><div>OpenID is convenient, to be sure, but lacks a compelling economic use case without bringing additional data with it, like a token to access someone's Google contacts or a token to use for tweeting on someone's behalf.</div>
<div><br></div><div>OpenID is, therefore, a fundamental building block of social applications, but the opportunity, it seems is to define a new "product" that we might call "OpenID Connect" that encapsulates the resources David described in his post: profile, relationships, content (what I call "data capital"), and activity [streams].</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Johannes Ernst <span dir="ltr"><jernst+<a href="http://openid.net">openid.net</a>@<a href="http://netmesh.us">netmesh.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Now that's an interesting one: "establishing an ongoing deep relationship" .... instead of merely logging on.<div>
<br></div><div>Does this apply to OpenID in general, too, or just Facebook?</div><div><br></div><div>[Opening up a major can of worms here in terms of "what is OpenID" and its mission and brand.]</div><div><div>
</div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div>On Nov 12, 2009, at 10:30, Luke Shepard wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial">
Yeah, we had this debate last year, and just scrapped it and went with Connect. The idea is that "login" or "signup" are too well established and fairly limiting- we wanted to give the sense that you were establishing an ongoing deep relationship between facebook and the site, not just a one-time login thing.<br>
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And don't forget Twitter and Facebook's "Connect".<div><br></div><div>It would be nice if we established a convention and promoted it, but I'm not sure that'll happen.</div><div><br></div><div>Like profile photo sizes, each site does things a little differently and yet the effect of choosing any of the listed options doesn't really effect the overall usability of an app.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As well, "sign in" and "log in" no longer mean anything semantically — they're just short hand for "give me access to my account" (since "signing in" was something you did when you showed up for a field trip at school, and "logging in" was something you did on a black screen, green text terminal). </div>
<div><br></div><div>"Connect" is the more interesting language, since it implies an ongoing fusing of two resources — where data flows over a "connection"... not unlike what happens when you "plug in" a plug to a wall outlet. Until you sever the connection, the juice will flow.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I have also seen new language emerging in comment forms that is starting to approximate what it means to present an OpenID and confirm ownership of it:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://flic.kr/p/7eMb8H" target="_blank">http://flic.kr/p/7eMb8H</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Here the language used it "identify yourself via"... </div><div><br></div><div>JS-Kit's Echo comment service uses the email metaphor to good, if not somewhat strange, effect:</div><div><br>
</div><div><a href="http://flic.kr/p/7fcHwU" target="_blank">http://flic.kr/p/7fcHwU</a></div><div><a href="http://js-kit.com/" target="_blank">http://js-kit.com/</a><br><div><br></div><div>Anyway, all this is to say that we haven't quite cracked the nut yet as to what's really going on with something like OpenID to say that "sign in" or "log in" is sufficient. "Connect" is closer, but obscures which data is being made available as part of that connection.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm glad you brought this up though, since it is something that bears inspection.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Johannes Ernst <span dir="ltr"><jernst+<a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">openid.net</a>@<a href="http://netmesh.us/" target="_blank">netmesh.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Informal Survey:<br>
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Yahoo:<br>
Sign In<br>
<br>
Google:<br>
Sign in / Sign out<br>
<br>
Digg:<br>
Login / Logout<br>
<br>
Slashdot:<br>
Log In / Log Out<br>
<br>
AOL:<br>
Sign In<br>
<br>
MySpace:<br>
Log In<br>
<br>
Facebook:<br>
Login<br>
<br>
MSN:<br>
Sign in<br>
<br>
NYTimes:<br>
Log In<br>
<br>
<br>
... and this isn't even limited to OpenID Log/sign/in. Even capitalization and spacing is different.<br>
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As part of the OpenID user experience, can we narrow this down? Or is that counter-productive?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Johannes.<br>
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