That's good to hear -- I for one am looking forward to having the new ED installed so that we can develop some shared documentation, goals, initiatives and so on.<div><br></div><div>Would you be able to publish the raw stats that you used to generate your RP graphs?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, I posted Nat's survey to the wiki:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://openid.pbwiki.com/Japanese-openid-survey">http://openid.pbwiki.com/Japanese-openid-survey</a></div><div><br></div>
<div>as well as mine:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://openid.pbwiki.com/mechanical-turk-study">http://openid.pbwiki.com/mechanical-turk-study</a></div><div><br></div><div>...for historical/reference purposes.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Brian Kissel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">To the extent that major OPs are willing to share any data, the
OIDF Marketing Committee would gladly produce case studies, blogs, press
releases etc. to get the word out. I think John McCrea from Plaxo is working
on a promotional piece. JanRain has been reporting <a href="http://blog.janrain.com/2008/11/relying-party-stats-as-of-nov-1st-2008.html" target="_blank">RP
growth</a> and has created some <a href="http://www.janrain.com/openid/casestudies" target="_blank">RP success stories</a>, would
welcome contributions from others. Until we have our new Exec Director
onboard and some dedicated marcom staff at the OIDF, our ability to message and
educate has been limited. That's one of the things that the
new ED will be tasked with pursuing in the context of membership growth and
adoption of the technology.</span></p><div class="Ih2E3d">
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Cheers,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy"><br>
Brian</span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">==============</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Brian Kissel</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Chris Messina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenID List<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brynn Evans; Luke Sontag; OpenID user experience; Scott Kveton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [QUAR] Re: [OpenID] [QUAR] Re: Independent study on OpenID
awareness using Mechanical Turk<br>
<b>Importance:</b> Low</span></p>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
<p> </p>
<p>There have been subsequent responses that I thought were
interesting and worth sharing:</p>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a href="http://connectid.blogspot.com/2008/11/naval-gazing_17.html" target="_blank">http://connectid.blogspot.com/2008/11/naval-gazing_17.html</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Paul suggests that the study amounts to "navel
gazing" and that OpenID should be a background technology, like SAML, and
users shouldn't have to become aware of it -- thus, this survey is asking the
wrong question (i.e. who cares whether people identity or know what OpenID
is?).</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>I talked about branding OpenID in one of my subsequent
posts, so I won't rehash my thoughts on that here.</p>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href="http://idlogger.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/statistical-entrails-reading/" target="_blank">http://idlogger.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/statistical-entrails-reading/</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Jeff Bohren follows up and suggests that the larger OpenID
providers (here's lookin' at you, Yahoo and AOL) who have been up for awhile
should be sharing statistics on use of their endpoints, *EVEN* if (as I
suspect), adoption and usage are infinitesimally small, so that we
can gauge uptake over time.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>It would seem to me that this is work that the OIDF should
be facilitating, and something that Brian Kissel, vis-a-vis the marketing team,
should be working on.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>What needs to happen to get the large (or even smaller) OPs
to start providing data about use of accounts with OpenID? Maybe Brian Ellin
could throw something up on AppEngine to aggregate these numbers?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Chris</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
<div>
<p>On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+100 !</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank">bkissel@janrain.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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</div>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Congrats Chris, well done!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Cheers,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy"><br>
Brian</span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">==============</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Brian Kissel</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:navy">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Messina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2008 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenID List; diso-project; OpenID user experience<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brynn Evans; Luke Sontag; Scott Kveton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [QUAR] Re: Independent study on OpenID awareness using
Mechanical Turk<br>
<b>Importance:</b> Low</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p> </p>
<p>ZDNet picked up the study:</p>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=131" target="_blank">http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=131</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Chris</p>
<div>
<p>On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Chris Messina <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<div>
<p>Wanted to share the results of a study that Brynn Evans and I completed at
the end of October:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<p><a href="http://tr.im/mturk_openid" target="_blank">http://tr.im/mturk_openid</a><br clear="all">
</p>
<div>
<p>It cost me about $6 to collect responses from 301 people on Mechanical Turk.
I felt that it was important to look into a wider sample size than Yahoo's
study which was composed of 9 female Yahoo members in their thirties. In
particular, many people drew conclusions from that small sample size about
OpenID's awareness that I felt were unfounded and decided to seek out an
independent analysis of a larger data set.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>The original source data is available here:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pSGbbhtwI4kOhPusNx8Kycg" target="_blank">http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pSGbbhtwI4kOhPusNx8Kycg</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Thoughts welcomed,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Chris</p>
</div>
<div>
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