<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Aldo,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>would be glad to participate in one, as usual ;-)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Timing is a bit of a question ... should it be now, where we're essentially at the point of "we know there is a problem, but don't know how to solve it yet" or should it be at the point of "here is a first strawman, please shoot at it?"</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Personally, I think I'd prefer the latter but would be open to either or both.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Johannes.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:27, Aldo Castañeda wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Chris et al., <BR><BR>I am writing to "unlurk" and because I've been thinking about how I might<BR>contribute to the discussion. <BR><BR>Although I've written at length about IP (law not network protocols) at the <BR>user-interface "layer" I'm not sure that would provide much value to this <BR>discussion at this point. (I'm going to post it on SSRN but if anyone wants <BR>a copy just let me know.)<BR><BR>However, it occurred to me this morning that perhaps we (Dick, Johannes and <BR>Chris...others?) could produce a podcast to present some of the issues/use cases/etc. <BR><BR>I think that might be a good way to ignite more participation in that audio is a bit <BR>"warmer" medium than email and perhaps might arouse interest in folks that might <BR>otherwise not engage.<BR><BR>If this seems like a ploy to promote my podcast, please know that I'd be happy<BR>to do the recording and host the audio file without any association to my podcast<BR>if that's preferable. <BR><BR>Let me know if there's any interest.<BR><BR>-Aldo<BR><BR><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 11/5/06, <B class="gmail_sendername">Chris Messina</B> <<A href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com </A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It might be good just to collect user stories at this point --<BR>primarily from existing systems like Google Auth, BBAuth, and so on... <BR>so we know what's out there and what user expectations are.<BR><BR>I don't mind doing a few of these myself -- as usual, it's just a<BR>matter of time. ;)<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>On 11/4/06, Dick Hardt <<A href="mailto:dick@sxip.com"> dick@sxip.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> Johannes<BR>><BR>> Just saw this post in my pile of mail. Good start. Would using a<BR>> table to list this out make sense?<BR>><BR>> Perhaps creating categories / labels for each type of user <BR>> interaction so we can contrast different systems and get a best<BR>> practices?<BR>><BR>> -- Dick<BR>><BR>><BR>> On 2-Nov-06, at 8:03 PM, Johannes Ernst wrote:<BR>><BR>> > I started a page to collect what OpenID relying party implementers <BR>> > actually do today in terms of user experience.<BR>> ><BR>> > <A href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/User_Experience_In_The_Wild">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/User_Experience_In_The_Wild</A> <BR>> ><BR>> > It's very rudimentary. Please add to it!!<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Johannes.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <BR>> > Johannes Ernst<BR>> > NetMesh Inc.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > <openid-relying-party-authenticated.gif><BR>> > <lid.gif><BR>> > <A href="http://netmesh.info/jernst"> http://netmesh.info/jernst</A><BR>> ><BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > user-experience mailing list<BR>> > <A href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net">user-experience@openid.net </A><BR>> > <A href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</A><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> user-experience mailing list <BR>> <A href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net">user-experience@openid.net</A><BR>> <A href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</A><BR>><BR><BR> <BR>--<BR>Chris Messina<BR>Citizen Provocateur &<BR> Open Source Ambassador-at-Large<BR>Work: <A href="http://citizenagency.com">http://citizenagency.com</A><BR>Blog: <A href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog </A><BR>Cell: 412 225-1051<BR>Skype: factoryjoe<BR>This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>user-experience mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net"> user-experience@openid.net</A><BR><A href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">user-experience mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net">user-experience@openid.net</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Johannes Ernst</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">NetMesh Inc.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><IMG src="cid:9173E289-5D6D-4850-B823-FDF7D115EF12@local"></SPAN><SPAN><IMG src="cid:5CC41088-A082-4AA9-8169-EFD940AF9ADA@aviatis.com"></SPAN><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "> <A href="http://netmesh.info/jernst">http://netmesh.info/jernst</A><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </SPAN></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>