From jcea at jcea.es  Thu Mar 29 01:00:05 2012
From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:00:05 +0200
Subject: Is this list still alive?
Message-ID: <4F73B415.8050003@jcea.es>

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From jcea at jcea.es  Thu Mar 29 01:25:10 2012
From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:25:10 +0200
Subject: MyOpenID delegation stopped working
Message-ID: <4F73B9F6.1050204@jcea.es>

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Sorry for the crossposting. I am quite desperate :(.

I haven't found a MyOpenID help email to address this.


I have been using OpenID for ages, delegating from my own domain,
http://www.jcea.es/, to MyOpenID.

This delegation stopped working like two weeks ago, with the following
error message (when redirected to MyOpenID to verify my OpenID, for
example trying to login to StackOverflow):

(the page title is "Bad Request")

"""
If you use OpenID delegation, please make sure your delegation
information is set to <a
href="https://www.myopenid.com/help#own_domain">these values</a>.
"""

The <link> headers in http://www.jcea.es/ seem OK:

"""
<link rel="openid.server" href="http://www.myopenid.com/server" />
   <!-- For delegating OpenID v1.x-->
<link rel="openid.delegate" href="http://jcea.myopenid.com/" />
<!-- For delegating OpenID v1.x-->
<link rel="openid2.local_id" href="http://jcea.myopenid.com" />
<link rel="openid2.provider" href="http://www.myopenid.com/server" />
<meta http-equiv="X-XRDS-Location"
content="http://www.myopenid.com/xrds?username=jcea.myopenid.com" />
      <!-- For delegating OpenID v2.x-->
"""

This seems correct and consistent with MyOpenID instructions.

This setup have been working for years. What is going on?

Can you help me?. I would rather avoid to deploy my own OpenID server.
If this is a MyOpenID problem, could you possibly suggest any other
OpenID provider not linked to a facebook/twitter/wordpress/google/etc
username?.

Thanks in advance.

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From jamesd at echeque.com  Thu Mar 29 02:28:41 2012
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:28:41 +1000
Subject: Is this list still alive?
In-Reply-To: <4F73B415.8050003@jcea.es>
References: <4F73B415.8050003@jcea.es>
Message-ID: <4F73C8D9.3030906@echeque.com>

Low noise, no signal

Seems to me that openid just did not fly.  Not sure why.  Perhaps it is 
time for a debriefing and post mortem.

From christopher at pobox.com  Thu Mar 29 03:07:06 2012
From: christopher at pobox.com (Chris Drake)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:07:06 +1000
Subject: Is this list still alive?
In-Reply-To: <4F73C8D9.3030906@echeque.com>
References: <4F73B415.8050003@jcea.es> <4F73C8D9.3030906@echeque.com>
Message-ID: <1693515730.20120329130706@pobox.com>

Hi James,

My personal opinion is that too many vested interests were involved in
the specifications (eg: nobody wanted to even consider adding hooks
and features to allow future "smart browsers" to identify/discover and
use OpenID enabled sites easily/automatically) which watered it all
down, and then of course the biggie:  nobody wants to loose control of
their userbase; so plenty of folks lined up to *provide* openid, but
nobody important ever wants to *consume* it.

This bit of politics could have been addressed in the specifications
(but once more - vested interest holders killed that idea).  If it was
made impossible to *provide* without also being a *consumer*, this
would have lead to a "viral" spread of genuinely useful identity
services for everyone.

Kind Regards,
Chris Drake


Thursday, March 29, 2012, 12:28:41 PM, you wrote:

JAD> Low noise, no signal

JAD> Seems to me that openid just did not fly.  Not sure why.  Perhaps it is
JAD> time for a debriefing and post mortem.
JAD> _______________________________________________
JAD> user-experience mailing list
JAD> user-experience at lists.openid.net
JAD> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-user-experience



From sakimura at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 06:22:57 2012
From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:22:57 +0900
Subject: Is this list still alive?
In-Reply-To: <1693515730.20120329130706@pobox.com>
References: <4F73B415.8050003@jcea.es> <4F73C8D9.3030906@echeque.com>
 <1693515730.20120329130706@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CABzCy2BMgXCjQ_XbXELfFQUBwx0EHdDuWVx=UBedRyUKiA+1rg@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to discuss the user interface around OpenID etc., I would
highly recommend you to join the Account Chooser WG.

   http://openid.net/wg/ac/

Instead of being just a disucssion group, now some of the user
interface issues are dealt within a IPR clean Working Group that
provide a safer space to discuss these issues so that it will not be
contaminated by the proprietary IPR.

Best,

Nat Sakimura


On 3/29/12, Chris Drake <christopher at pobox.com> wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> My personal opinion is that too many vested interests were involved in
> the specifications (eg: nobody wanted to even consider adding hooks
> and features to allow future "smart browsers" to identify/discover and
> use OpenID enabled sites easily/automatically) which watered it all
> down, and then of course the biggie:  nobody wants to loose control of
> their userbase; so plenty of folks lined up to *provide* openid, but
> nobody important ever wants to *consume* it.
>
> This bit of politics could have been addressed in the specifications
> (but once more - vested interest holders killed that idea).  If it was
> made impossible to *provide* without also being a *consumer*, this
> would have lead to a "viral" spread of genuinely useful identity
> services for everyone.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Chris Drake
>
>
> Thursday, March 29, 2012, 12:28:41 PM, you wrote:
>
> JAD> Low noise, no signal
>
> JAD> Seems to me that openid just did not fly.  Not sure why.  Perhaps it is
> JAD> time for a debriefing and post mortem.
> JAD> _______________________________________________
> JAD> user-experience mailing list
> JAD> user-experience at lists.openid.net
> JAD> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-user-experience
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> user-experience mailing list
> user-experience at lists.openid.net
> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-user-experience
>


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Chairman, OpenID Foundation
http://nat.sakimura.org/
@_nat_en