[step2] Re: OpenID Popup Extension - Draft 0

[Allen Tom]

Chris Messina wrote:
>
>
>     (2) Can we kill two birds with one stone here and make this the UX (as
>     opposed to popup) extension, and add stuff like language?
>
>
> If we're going that route (which I generally favor), I think we should 
> probably use UI as opposed to UX for the appropriate acronym. Since 
> we're talking about the superficial OpenID experience here (rather 
> than the holistic "user experience" -- which encompasses much more 
> than just language and window mode), I think this extension should be 
> called the OpenID User Interface Extension or OpenID Uniform User 
> Interface Experience. 
>  
I'm concerned about increasing the scope of the extensions, as both the 
Language Preference and PopupUX both seem to be very obvious 
improvements  with universal support that can be implemented very 
rapidly by almost all OPs, so I would like to finalize both extensions 
quickly and to keep the scope limited so that we can move forward.

>
> openid.ns.ui = http://specs.openid.net/extensions/ui/1.0 
> <http://specs.openid.net/extensions/ux/1.0>
> openid.ui.mode = popup|aural|braille|embossed|handheld|mobile|tv 
>    (largely inherited from CSS media types, where "handheld" is 
> differentiated from "mobile" by the capability expectations of the 
> browser)

I fully agree that we should address multiple form factors and modes, 
however I don't think there's an immediate short term need to formally 
specify this.

> openid.ui.language = en_NZ
>
I have no problem with combining the popup and the language extensions 
into one, if there is consensus to do that.

I do have a problem with expanding the scope to cover use cases that 
have not really been discussed yet. (accessibility, TVs, etc)



> Also, I might tweak this (section 4):
>
>     The RP SHOULD open the popup centered above the main browser
>     window, and SHOULD dim the contents of the parent window while the
>     popup is active.
>
>  
> ...to suggest that if you DIM the contents of the parent window, that 
> you also provide an indication of what's happening and how to 
> cancel/escape the dimmed effect (i.e. if you close the popup and no 
> communication happens back to the parent).
>
My concern here is that the RP and the OP would both be competing for 
the user's attention. I'd prefer that the user focus on the popup, and 
that the OP take care of the messaging.

> Should we also cover the case where the parent window is closed before 
> authentication is completed?
>
Ah, I hadn't thought of this case.

> Lastly, typo in Section 5: "recieving" should be "receiving".
>
Thanks for pointing that, I'll take care of that in the next rev.

Allen



> Chris
>
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com
>     <mailto:atom at yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > I uploaded draft #0. Comments welcome:
>     >
>     > http://wiki.openid.net/f/openid_popup_extension_draft0.html
>     >
>     > I was really hoping to make the OP's default popup size
>     discoverable,
>     > but I couldn't figure out how to cleanly embed the dimensions
>     into the
>     > XRDS. Based on discussions at the Facebook meetup this week, it
>     sounds
>     > like 450px width is the magic size, as both Google and Facebook
>     > independently chose 450px for their popups. My designers have
>     indicated
>     > that 450x500 should be doable, so I've set that as the
>     recommended size.
>     >
>     >  From a implementation standpoint, having the default popup size be
>     > discoverable might not be worth the added complexity.
>     >
>     > Based on the PuffyPoodles and MadStreams demos, it looks like
>     the popup
>     > is already working well with iPhones, so perhaps we can just
>     recommend
>     > that RPs just use the Popup UX for mobile devices as well as for
>     desktops.
>     >
>     > Allen
>     >
>     >
>     > >
>     >
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