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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sounds very productive, thanks for the recap and the quick collaboration.
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Atul Tulshibagwale <atul@sgnl.ai><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:36 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>michael_b_jones@hotmail.com <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Gail Hodges <gail@oidf.org>, specs@openid.net <specs@openid.net>, Mark <mark@considrd.consulting>, OpenID RISC List <openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net>, Tim Cappalli <tim.cappalli@microsoft.com>, Backman, Annabelle <richanna@amazon.com>, majordan@visa.com
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: Versioning proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Mike and Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks for your time today. Here are my notes from the call:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mike proposed that we do not actually version the protocol, because of two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Versions may not be linear. People may add different features and may support different features in the future, so a linear version scale may not make sense. For instance, the OAuth spec is not versioned, but it has many additional features
such as PKCE, DPoP, CIBA etc. Participants can individually support these features.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">We already have draft numbering, and protocol version numbers may be hard to distinguish from that.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mike proposed that we add specific feature flags in the Transmitter Configuration Metadata. We currently have two things that require versioning:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sub_id at top level<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">API style (previous API has differences with the current API)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mark pointed out some parallels (and pitfalls) with other specs such as Identity Assurance, where they are using this approach.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This will satisfy our needs and will be a more robust way of supporting multiple new things we may decide to add in the spec later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Atul to discuss this in the WG meeting tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Atul to update PR based on outcome of WG meeting, but hopefully along the above lines. Mike and Mark to review that PR<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">The current versioning proposal PR will be dropped.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please respond if I haven't captured anything correctly or you wish to add anything here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:48 AM Atul Tulshibagwale <<a href="mailto:atul@sgnl.ai">atul@sgnl.ai</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Mike and Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I've updated the versioning proposal to establish how protocol version numbers discussed in the document will correlate to the spec version numbers defined in the naming document you shared. Please review
them here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/111yCtaF26tYUwOUM_Wg_896X1sE64PhtxQx8Bie7INU/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/111yCtaF26tYUwOUM_Wg_896X1sE64PhtxQx8Bie7INU/edit?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 6:50 PM Michael Jones <<a href="mailto:michael_b_jones@hotmail.com" target="_blank">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Atul. It seems reasonable. However, I’m not totally sure how it relates to published draft filenames
and the titles and draft numbers within the drafts themselves. Could we schedule a half-hour call to dive into this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In particular, I’d like to understand how this relates to the specification version numbers (such as 1.0) and draft numbers (such as 29) as described
in the OpenID Foundation specification naming conventions described at <a href="https://openid.net/wg/resources/naming-and-contents-of-specifications/" target="_blank">
https://openid.net/wg/resources/naming-and-contents-of-specifications/</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Atul Tulshibagwale <<a href="mailto:atul@sgnl.ai" target="_blank">atul@sgnl.ai</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 26, 2023 6:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gail Hodges <<a href="mailto:gail@oidf.org" target="_blank">gail@oidf.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>;
<a href="mailto:michael_b_jones@hotmail.com" target="_blank">michael_b_jones@hotmail.com</a>; Mark <mark@considrd.consulting>; OpenID RISC List <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>>; Tim
Cappalli <<a href="mailto:tim.cappalli@microsoft.com" target="_blank">tim.cappalli@microsoft.com</a>>; Backman, Annabelle <<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com" target="_blank">richanna@amazon.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:majordan@visa.com" target="_blank">majordan@visa.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Versioning proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Gail,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mike and Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://github.com/openid/sharedsignals/pull/123" target="_blank">pull request</a>, which has the versioning proposal in a Kramdown format. It also uses that versioning proposal in the SSF spec.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Atul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 9:00 AM Gail Hodges <<a href="mailto:gail@oidf.org" target="_blank">gail@oidf.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Many thanks for sharing! Glad you are at a stage to dive deeper into the mechanics of versioning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mike Jones, Mark H</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Can you please kindly review and revert to Atuil and the Shared Signals WG?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am conscious that there has been considerable work by the two of you and others in order to:
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Document the current specification processes<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Document the unwritten best practices<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Create tools to automate those processes, and pilot the automation tools with the DCP WG
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Close gaps in the Process Document via discrete changes, which the Process Subgroup of the Board will present to Board prior to vote by the full membership.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marie- As Secretary, FYI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Gail
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Atul Tulshibagwale <<a href="mailto:atul@sgnl.ai" target="_blank">atul@sgnl.ai</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 25, 2023 at 7:55 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a> <<a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Gail Hodges <<a href="mailto:gail@oidf.org" target="_blank">gail@oidf.org</a>>, OpenID RISC List <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>>, Tim Cappalli <<a href="mailto:tim.cappalli@microsoft.com" target="_blank">tim.cappalli@microsoft.com</a>>,
Backman, Annabelle <<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com" target="_blank">richanna@amazon.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Versioning proposal</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the Shared Signals WG, we recently agreed to this versioning proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/111yCtaF26tYUwOUM_Wg_896X1sE64PhtxQx8Bie7INU/edit?usp=drive_web" target="_blank"><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none"> </span><span style="color:#1155CC;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">Shared
Signals Versioning Proposal</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/111yCtaF26tYUwOUM_Wg_896X1sE64PhtxQx8Bie7INU/edit?usp=drive_web" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"> </span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/111yCtaF26tYUwOUM_Wg_896X1sE64PhtxQx8Bie7INU/edit?usp=drive_web" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">I'm
not sure if the OpenID Foundation has anything it uses across all WGs regarding versioning. Could you please review the versioning proposal and let us know if anything needs to be changed?</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/111yCtaF26tYUwOUM_Wg_896X1sE64PhtxQx8Bie7INU/edit?usp=drive_web" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Thanks,</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shared Signals WG</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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