<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://571/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Fine with me.<div><br><div><div>On 2013-07-24, at 6:44 PM, Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’m fine with that. What about the other specs council members and proposers?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:openid-<a href="mailto:specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chuck Mortimore<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:31 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lewis Adam-CAL022<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@openid.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:specs-council@openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs-council@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Opening discussion again to help push this to completion.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'm still not comfortable with "single authorization" as I believe it's antithetical to what we actually need to build. I do believe SSO best describes the use-cases, but I'm willing to drop it to achieve agreement.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">How about we drop all the qualifiers and simply call it the: <b>Native Application Working Group</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- it's high level and independent of implementation, other than we're working on concerns for native apps. We can start with the current scope and it's easily re-charterable down the road.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">-cmort<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Lewis Adam-CAL022 <<a href="mailto:Adam.Lewis@motorolasolutions.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">Adam.Lewis@motorolasolutions.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">+2</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We have written our own such function as we indeed call it an “SSO client.” It’s what developers understand. It’s what user’s understand. It’s what RFIs and RFPs call for. At the end of the day a name is just a name, but I personally find the name “native single authorization agent” to be a bit confusing. </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Let’s think about how this is intended to be used. An mobile user downloads a Twitter client, a Facebook client, a G+ client and some other clients. He signs on once and gets access to their information on Twitter/Facebook/G+/other. Developers will think of it the same way. It’s SSO across native apps. Imagine if the SAML WebSSO profile was named the SAML single authorization agent profile??<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">J</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">adam</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Richard Sand<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:00 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ashish Jain<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@openid.net</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:specs-council@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs-council@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">+1. The name will impact potential adoption, foolish to think it won't, and "SSO" is a commonly (mis)understood term and often appears in business requirements, even though it is often a misnomer or neglects other important related aspects such as log off, session management etc. SSO is a name here, not a binding technical scope<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>On Jul 18, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Ashish Jain <<a href="mailto:email@ashishjain.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">email@ashishjain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I still don't understand / agree with the objection on <span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">openid-specs-native-sso. That's the intent and the primary use case. It will be far more appealing / understandable to the mobile app developers than 'single authorization agent'. </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">-- Ashish</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Paul Madsen <<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">oh and I guess I should have mentioned the plans for a PRISMA subgroup ......</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 7/17/13 7:51 PM, John Bradley wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Ok you have a point. NSAA then. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">I want it in red. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">On 2013-07-17, at 7:28 PM, =JeffH <a href="mailto:Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">request that the name be changed to "Native Single Authorization Agent", with<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">the mailing list name openid-specs-nssa<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">but "Native Single Authorization Agent" yields "nsaa" rather than "nssa", yes?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">thus "openid-specs-nsaa" ?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">=JeffH<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">specs mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@lists.openid.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">specs mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@lists.openid.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "> <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>specs mailing list<br><a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">_______________________________________________<br>specs mailing list<br><a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs</a><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>specs mailing list<br><a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">specs@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>