<div dir="ltr"><div style>Hmmm, maybe it has fallen out of my plate. I just looked at the charter proposal from the proposers. <br></div><div><div>I do not see anything but <a href="http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-council/2013-July/000340.html">http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-council/2013-July/000340.html</a> in the specs-council list and for that. </div>
<div><br></div><div style>Maybe you are talking about <a href="http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-council/2013-July/000341.html">http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-council/2013-July/000341.html</a> on Wed Jul 3 21:25:51 UTC 2013 that was posted by you, Mike? </div>
<div style><br></div><div style>The proposed change were: </div><div style><ol style><li style>changed "in order to enable" to "to enable"</li><li style>capitalize the first letter of the bullet points; <br>
</li><li style>change id_token to ID Token; <br></li><li style>changed OIDC to OpenID Connect; <br></li><li style>changed "implementors" to "implementers" (BTW, neither "implementer" nor "implementor" exists in OED, and I used to spell it "implementor". Is it a Canadian thing?) </li>
<li style>added "This specification will not make breaking changes to OpenID Connect 1.0." to "out of scope" section, which is unnecessary since this is a different working group than AB/Connect working group and has no power as to OpenID Connect 1.0 to start with; <br>
</li><li style>changed capitalizations such as "relying parties" to "Relying Parties", etc. </li><li style>changed "ie" to "i.e."</li><li style>changed "&" to "and"</li>
<li style>changed "And so" to "Thus"</li></ol><div style>They are all editorial. </div><div style><br></div><div style>I gathered that the scopes incorporating the comments were something that is going to be approved on the first meeting of the Working Group. In fact, that is the first agenda item of the working group as OpenID Process Document mandates. If the changes proposed were technical in its nature, I would have thought of otherwise, however, they were all editorial. Thus resulted in my note. <br>
</div><div style><br></div><div style>Your late comment probably would be considered by the working group, but I am not sure from the pure procedure point of view, you can actually block it this way. </div><div style><br>
</div></div><div style>Best, </div><div style><br></div><div style>Nat</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/7/18 Mike Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>></span><br>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Actually, per the rules, the working group *<b>hasn’t</b>* been approved yet, Nat’s note notwithstanding. I say that because you updated the proposed charter
on 7/4, Paul, to reflect my comments and the two week auto-approval period if there is no action from the specifications council has not yet elapsed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Accordingly, as a specs council member, I hereby file an objection to the name Native Application SSO because I believe it is less accurate than it could be,
and request that the name be changed to “</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Native Single Authorization Agent</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">”, with
the mailing list name openid-specs-nssa. If those changes are acceptable to the proposers, I’ll withdraw my objection.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> -- Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=""><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Chuck Mortimore [mailto:<a href="mailto:cmortimore@salesforce.com" target="_blank">cmortimore@salesforce.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Madsen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mike Jones; John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig; Don Thibeau</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
<p class=""><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="">Amen!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">-cmort<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Paul Madsen <<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com" target="_blank">paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">this reminds me of the IETF SCIM-reacronymizing exercise<br>
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the group was approved & chartered under the name 'Native SSO' . Those who understand what the intent of the work is all agree that the name is an accurate description of the work.<br>
<br>
Tony didnt like the name as proposed in the charter - but it was approved nonetheless.
<br>
<br>
So why are we still arguing?<span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br>
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<span>paul </span><br>
</span><br>
ps. I wonder if the proposers of 'Backplane', or ' </span>AB/Connect<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">' ,both wonderfully descriptive, faced the same</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On 7/17/13 3:07 PM, Mike Jones wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So you’d prefer that the work be called something closer to “Native Application Authorization”?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Anthony Nadalin
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Madsen; Don Thibeau<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mike Jones; John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">
specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I would have been too young back in the 90s</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I don’t like SSO in the name as this is basically this is just a way to authorize an app to interact
with one or more resource serves on your behalf</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><a name="13fee74c3744482a_13fee6bb628f6a56__MailEndCompose"></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Paul Madsen [<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com" target="_blank">mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Don Thibeau<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Anthony Nadalin; Mike Jones; John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">
specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I am 99% confident that *our* beloved Tony was not part of the R&B group from Oakland, briefly popular in the 90s.....<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony%21_Toni%21_Ton%C3%A9" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony!_Toni!_Ton%C3%A9</a>!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On 7/17/13 2:33 PM, Don Thibeau wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">Paul
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<p class="">I don't think "Tony Tony Tony" is a good name for a working group :)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Don Thibeau</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank">The OpenID Foundation</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Paul Madsen wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Tony Tony Tony, how I've missed our time together<br>
<br>
The WG's mandate is to profile OIDC to enable an SSO model for native mobile applications.
<br>
<br>
Can you suggest a better (concise & memorable) descriptor for a mail list identifier?<br>
<br>
paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On 7/17/13 2:17 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That’s a totally useless name
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Madsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig; Don Thibeau<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">that list name is fine<br>
<br>
thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On 7/17/13 1:51 PM, Mike Jones wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">John, are you able to create the new mailing list at
<a href="http://lists.openid.net" target="_blank">lists.openid.net</a> or do we have to ask
<a href="mailto:support@osuosl.org" target="_blank">support@osuosl.org</a> for the list creation?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul and other WG creators, what name do you want the list to have? openid-specs-native-sso?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> -- Mike</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Don Thibeau [<a href="mailto:don@oidf.org" target="_blank">mailto:don@oidf.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Madsen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> n-sakimura; John Ehrig; <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">
openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>; John Bradley; Mike Jones<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="">John Ehrig can set up the web site space and the online Docusign process for IPR collection. If done right away it saves all concerned lots of time and hassle.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Don Thibeau</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=""><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">The OpenID Foundation</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Paul Madsen wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks Nat,
<br>
<br>
Don, can you direct me to whomever I should work with on the WG list & page logistics?<br>
<br>
Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="">On 7/16/13 6:08 AM, n-sakimura wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt">The WG formation is deemed to be approved per section 4.2 of the OpenID Process Document v.1.5 of 2009.
<br>
<br>
A new mailing list should be established promptly per section 4.3 of the above document. Also, a WG web pages should be set up at
<a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">openid.net</a>. You should also ask the secretary of the foundation to announce the first meeting of the WG, in which scope approval and the chairs selection should be done.
<br>
<br>
Note: the first meeting can only be done after the WG has collected the IPR agreement from the participants, so it may not be as quick as you may wish, but it has to be done. BTW, NRI's agreement is already in as we have a blanket agreement like Google.
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<br>
Nat <br>
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(2013/07/15 14:56), Paul Madsen wrote: <br>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Next steps?
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----------- <br>
Paul Madsen <br>
Ping Identity <br>
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Anthony Nadalin<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com" target="_blank"><tonynad@microsoft.com></a> wrote:
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I believe if you dig you will see that there is potential for IPR from both Apple and Facebook.
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-----Original Message----- <br>
From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of n-sakimura
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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:20 PM <br>
To: <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>
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Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group <br>
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Could you kindly spell it out? <br>
<br>
From what I have been hearing, Facebook was just using fast application switch, which is nothing more than Self-issued thing that we have, and iOS's native login support given to facebook, twitter, and Weibo.
<br>
Perhaps you are thinking of something else. <br>
<br>
Of course, I could be complete wrong. I should probably read <br>
<a href="https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/" target="_blank">
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/</a> <br>
and <br>
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<a href="http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html%23//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233" target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233</a>
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as well. <br>
<br>
Having said that, if Apple's interface is not open, perhaps it is a task for an industry consortia like OpenID Foundation to go and ask Apple to open up the API for other IdPs as well. Do not know if they are going to listen, but still, it might be our duty
to try. <br>
<br>
Nat <br>
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(2013/07/04 7:30), Anthony Nadalin wrote: <br>
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<p class="" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I also have a concern that we might be infringing on the Facebook SSO
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(iOS) IPR with this effort. <u></u><u></u></p>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=nat)<div>Chairman, OpenID Foundation<br><a href="http://nat.sakimura.org/" target="_blank">http://nat.sakimura.org/</a><br>@_nat_en</div>
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