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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">SSO is far from the truth<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Chuck Mortimore [mailto:cmortimore@salesforce.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Nadalin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Paul Madsen; Don Thibeau; John Bradley; specs@openid.net; John Ehrig<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree. The functional goal of this, at least from a user's perspective, should be Single Sign-On.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-cmort<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Anthony Nadalin <<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com" target="_blank">tonynad@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would have been too young back in the 90s</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t like SSO in the name as this is basically this is just a way to authorize an app to interact
with one or more resource serves on your behalf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Paul Madsen [mailto:<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com" target="_blank">paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Don Thibeau<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Anthony Nadalin; Mike Jones; John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">
specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I am 99% confident that *our* beloved Tony was not part of the R&B group from Oakland, briefly popular in the 90s.....<br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony!_Toni!_Ton%C3%A9" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony!_Toni!_Ton%C3%A9</a>!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 7/17/13 2:33 PM, Don Thibeau wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I don't think "Tony Tony Tony" is a good name for a working group :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank">The OpenID Foundation</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Paul Madsen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Tony Tony Tony, how I've missed our time together<br>
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The WG's mandate is to profile OIDC to enable an SSO model for native mobile applications.
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Can you suggest a better (concise & memorable) descriptor for a mail list identifier?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 7/17/13 2:17 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Madsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig; Don Thibeau<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">that list name is fine<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 7/17/13 1:51 PM, Mike Jones wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John, are you able to create the new mailing list at
<a href="http://lists.openid.net" target="_blank">lists.openid.net</a> or do we have to ask
<a href="mailto:support@osuosl.org" target="_blank">support@osuosl.org</a> for the list creation?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul and other WG creators, what name do you want the list to have? openid-specs-native-sso?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Don Thibeau [<a href="mailto:don@oidf.org" target="_blank">mailto:don@oidf.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Madsen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> n-sakimura; John Ehrig; <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">
openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>; John Bradley; Mike Jones<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">John Ehrig can set up the web site space and the online Docusign process for IPR collection. If done right away it saves all concerned lots of time and hassle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Paul Madsen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks Nat,
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Don, can you direct me to whomever I should work with on the WG list & page logistics?<br>
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Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 7/16/13 6:08 AM, n-sakimura wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">The WG formation is deemed to be approved per section 4.2 of the OpenID Process Document v.1.5 of 2009.
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A new mailing list should be established promptly per section 4.3 of the above document. Also, a WG web pages should be set up at
<a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">openid.net</a>. You should also ask the secretary of the foundation to announce the first meeting of the WG, in which scope approval and the chairs selection should be done.
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Note: the first meeting can only be done after the WG has collected the IPR agreement from the participants, so it may not be as quick as you may wish, but it has to be done. BTW, NRI's agreement is already in as we have a blanket agreement like Google.
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Nat <br>
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(2013/07/15 14:56), Paul Madsen wrote: <br>
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Paul Madsen <br>
Ping Identity <br>
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Anthony Nadalin<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com" target="_blank"><tonynad@microsoft.com></a> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">I believe if you dig you will see that there is potential for IPR from both Apple and Facebook.
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-----Original Message----- <br>
From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of n-sakimura
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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:20 PM <br>
To: <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>
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Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group <br>
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Could you kindly spell it out? <br>
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From what I have been hearing, Facebook was just using fast application switch, which is nothing more than Self-issued thing that we have, and iOS's native login support given to facebook, twitter, and Weibo.
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Perhaps you are thinking of something else. <br>
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Of course, I could be complete wrong. I should probably read <br>
<a href="https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/" target="_blank">
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/</a> <br>
and <br>
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<a href="http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html%23//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233" target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233</a>
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as well. <br>
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Having said that, if Apple's interface is not open, perhaps it is a task for an industry consortia like OpenID Foundation to go and ask Apple to open up the API for other IdPs as well. Do not know if they are going to listen, but still, it might be our duty
to try. <br>
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Nat <br>
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(2013/07/04 7:30), Anthony Nadalin wrote: <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">I also have a concern that we might be infringing on the Facebook SSO
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(iOS) IPR with this effort. <o:p></o:p></p>
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