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<div style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Just saying that ultimatly the WG decides what the work product is regardless of input but constrained by the charter
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<span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-weight:bold">Cc:
</span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net">Torsten Lodderstedt</a>;
<a href="mailto:pmadsen@pingidentity.com">Paul Madsen</a>; <a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">
John Bradley</a>; <a href="mailto:ashishjain@vmware.com">ashishjain@vmware.com</a>;
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<div><font face="Arial">Hi Tony, not sure I understand your point.<br>
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Are you saying that we (the proposers of the new WG) *technically* needn't account for feedback such as Torsten's in this review cycle?<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Torsten Lodderstedt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 2, 2013 9:53 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Paul,<br>
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got it :-) Would it make sense to add this assumption to the charter? <br>
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Does this mean:<br>
- a single AZA manages access to multiple authz servers?<br>
- an app needs to be able to register its authz server/idp at the AZA?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi Torsten, wrt the possibility of an id_token being used against a 'home' IdP, the current model is that it would be the AZA that would perform this exchange</span>,
not the native app itself - this because the overarching assumption being that the AZA should do as much of the heavy lifting as possible - and thereby simplify life for the native apps.<br>
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But that is separate I think from the use case of an native app wanting to consume an id_token directly (for access control, customization etc) and so i will look at charter to make sure this scenario is supported.<br>
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I agree with Nat on this use case. Another one is that the app wants to use the id_token as credential on its "home" IDP (probably via JWT bearer token profile). This is more or less 3rd party login for apps.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When I was talking to some law enforcement people in EU, they were talking similar things. Right now, we do not have any location data defined in the claims, but we may also want to do so in such cases. </p>
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would be 'handed over' by the AZA to its constituent native apps.<br>
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I interpreted the text of the charter the other way around, so a client would be able to use an(y) id_token (as a credential) to obtain an access token. I'm fine if the mechanism is intended to support id_token issuance.<br>
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Am 01.07.2013 15:06, schrieb John Bradley:<br>
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it would be great to have such a mechanism across platforms!<br>
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I'm wondering whether the mechanism should issue id tokens as well. Right now it seems to focus on access tokens.<br>
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