Hi Henry, I think you are doing a great job around here. Unfortunately, very misunderstood around here. Not that I am qualified to judge your work. My apologies!. Keep up the good work!<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Story Henry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net">henry.story@bblfish.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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On 7 Jun 2010, at 19:11, Steven Livingstone-Perez wrote:<br>
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> Hi Henry - Yeah - having played with FOAF+SSL it is nice, albeit a bit of<br>
> work is needed at the moment.<br>
<br>
</div>yes, it is improving all the time. We really only have proofs of concepts<br>
for the moment, so not something that is end user ready. If the quality of<br>
engineering of the OpenId team would help out it would be unbeatable.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I think for that bit to get easier we either<br>
> need really good installers or, ideally, support by the browsers to make the<br>
> cert bits a no brainer.<br>
<br>
</div>Did you see the video? I put it together myself, and it is my first screen<br>
cast so it is very clumsy. But if you get over that, you will see that creating<br>
a certificate is a one click affair. That piece could not be easier.<br>
<a href="http://bit.ly/axlT0s" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/axlT0s</a><br>
<br>
But yes browser manufacturers could do a little work and the core values of the<br>
original OpenId team at least (I have not followed the work recently) would be<br>
fulfilled. Firefox probably needs the most work at the UI level. But that just requires<br>
a bit of common sense on their part, no engineering feat. For the moment it is useable. Chromium (Chrome developer release) now works, and Opera is excellent. IE I think also works well (I don't have windows myself). That is also evident from the screencast.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> It is certainly the closest I have seen to OpenID just working in the<br>
> browser.<br>
<br>
</div>Thanks.<br>
<br>
Now the very positive thing about OpenId is that it is a very important piece that can complement Web IDs very well. For browsers that don't support Web IDs, Open IDs are the<br>
next best thing. In fact I think that Open ID could use foaf+ssl to improve its protocol, so as to close that last gap.<br>
<br>
I pointed out how this can be done a while ago in "Making Open ID RESTful"<br>
<a href="http://markmail.org/message/oub3mhq4q4lpazwh" target="_blank">http://markmail.org/message/oub3mhq4q4lpazwh</a><br>
<br>
I have updated the foaf+ssl openid section<br>
<a href="http://esw.w3.org/Foaf%2Bssl#OpenID" target="_blank">http://esw.w3.org/Foaf%2Bssl#OpenID</a><br>
<br>
Hope that helps,<br>
<br>
Henry<br>
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><br>
> /steven<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:hjs@bblfish.net">hjs@bblfish.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:hjs@bblfish.net">hjs@bblfish.net</a>] On Behalf Of Story Henry<br>
> Sent: 07 June 2010 17:51<br>
> To: Steven Livingstone-Perez<br>
> Cc: 'John Panzer'; 'SitG Admin'; <a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a>;<br>
> <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Finally the Shit has hit the fan!<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 18:42, Steven Livingstone-Perez wrote:<br>
><br>
>> The idea in principal appeals but a lot seems to be dependent on<br>
>> browser vendor support & OpenID in the browser should really have been<br>
>> (and should still be [1]) a no brainer for the browser vendors - I<br>
>> anticipate the same level of "uptake" by them for this.<br>
><br>
> It already works in the browser, and has for years. The problem is that most<br>
> people here don't want to look at the solution, because of fear of the<br>
> semantic web it seems, or some such (not sure).<br>
><br>
> You can see it working in this home made video<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZPJBpI2Po&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZPJBpI2Po&feature=player_embedded</a><br>
><br>
> (I welcome people coming up with better videos)<br>
> The protocol is detailed here:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://esw.w3.org/Foaf+ssl" target="_blank">http://esw.w3.org/Foaf+ssl</a><br>
><br>
> There are some small browser improvements that could be made, though it<br>
> would not take long to convince some of the browsers vendors to make them.<br>
><br>
> Henry<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In short, until we can get the browsers to put social as a first class<br>
>> citizen (and look how long universal OpenSearch support in the<br>
>> browsers<br>
>> took) we have a battle.<br>
><br>
><br>
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