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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">Hi Eran,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">Its not so much about what I
want, to me its about what the RPs and end users want since that will
ultimately drive adoption and usage. Having talked with some existing and
prospective RPs who are trying to follow this discussion, they are having a
pretty hard time. Maybe something we could do is create a summary on a
wiki like a political ballot initiative. Each group advocating an approach
could list the objectives and advantages of their proposal, and the other group
could list their perceived disadvantages of that approach. After
the document is live we could proactively solicit input from lots of RPs to
come and comment on the proposals.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">Personnally, I’d like to
see a way to create an MRD that spans a range of markets and use cases, as I
believe Raj Mata and Eric Sachs have advocated, and see if we can come up with one
unified core technology approach that is extensible enough to serve all the
targeted use cases in a componentized way. If that’s not possible
and we have to fork the technology with something like OpenID Connect for social
web applications and something like OpenID V.Next for enterprise, ecommerce and
government applications, then we should do it in a way that makes it as easy
for end users and RPs to make the migration. In any case, I’d like
to see all this branded as OpenID or some derivation of OpenID that can be
mananged by the OpenID Foundation. The RPs that we’ve talked to
would really like a one stop shop place to go for guidance (libraries, deployment
guides, test suites, best practices, etc.) on OpenID, OAuth, Portable Contacts,
Activity Streams, Discovery, Open Social, etc. It seems like
the OpenID Foundation is currently the best place to provide this. So
it seems like the market will be better served if we can come together as
opposed create competitive approaches and messages.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">Look forward to input from
others.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">Cheers,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"><br>
Brian</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#0033CC">___________</span></b><span style="color:#0033CC"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#0033CC"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#0033CC"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254"><span style="color:#0033CC">Brian
Kissel</span></a></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">CEO - JanRain, Inc.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"><a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC">Mobile: </span><span style="color:#0033CC">503.342.2668 </span><span style="color:#0033CC">| Fax: </span><span style="color:#0033CC">503.296.5502</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#0033CC"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Eran Hammer-Lahav [mailto:<a href="mailto:eran@hueniverse.com">eran@hueniverse.com</a>] <br>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:54 PM<br>
To: Brian Kissel<br>
Cc: OpenID Board (public); <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a><br>
Subject: RE: [OpenID board] Why Connect?</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I am not sure what this means.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">As someone in a leadership position within the
organization and community, who also have a financial investment in this work,
what would *you* like to do? Both options? Pick one?</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">We know who supports each option based on the proposers
list. We also know that Dick objects to the OpenID Connect proposal (and I
completely respect his well-argued position - I just don't agree with him). It
would be helpful if people clearly expressed where they stand on this.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">EHL</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: Brian Kissel [mailto:<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a>]</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:12 PM</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; Dick Hardt; Allen Tom</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: Joseph Smarr; OpenID Board (public);
<a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: RE: [OpenID board] Why Connect?</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> It seems to me that the broader market is coalescing
around OpenID as the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> brand for open standards-based user managed identity
in a B2C</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> environment.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> My take away from the last couple of board meetings
is that we should</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> embrace that, not avoid it. Most RPs and end
users don't really care what's</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> under the hood, they want solutions that address
their business and</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> personal objectives. Let's see how we can best
leverage the open standards</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> work being developed and deployed by a number of
stakeholders to address</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> real market needs and benefits.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cheers,</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Brian</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ___________</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Brian Kissel</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> CEO - JanRain, Inc.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> 519 SW 3rd Ave. Suite 600 Portland, OR 97204</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your
brand with RPX. Learn</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> more at <a href="http://www.rpxnow.com">www.rpxnow.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On
Behalf Of Eran</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Hammer-Lahav</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:11 PM</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Dick Hardt; Allen Tom</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cc: Joseph Smarr; OpenID Board (public);
<a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: RE: [OpenID board] Why Connect?</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > -----Original Message-----</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-specs-">openid-specs-</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > <a href="mailto:bounces@lists.openid.net">bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of Dick
Hardt</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:29 PM</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> > Labelling this as OpenID seems to be hijacking
the OpenID brand.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> And this is where you got it all wrong! Labeling
this as OpenID is giving the</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> OpenID brand once last chance to offer something
useful and meaningful</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> that developers actually use.</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Calling it OAuth Connect would result in hijacking
the community. I'm clearly</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> willing to do that (though my presence here should
indicate my interest in</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> saving the OpenID brand). The question is, is this
something the OpenID</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> community and board wants to risk?</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> </p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> EHL</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> _______________________________________________</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> specs mailing list</p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <a href="mailto:specs@lists.openid.net">specs@lists.openid.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>
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