Hey Paul,<div>That sounds right. I'd really like to see us simplify it though. Ideally getting to where a RP can make a single HTTP request and end up with the OpenID endpoint. For example, why not combine steps #3 and #4?</div>
<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Paul E. Jones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">paulej@packetizer.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">John,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Perhaps we need to walk through this so that I don’t get
confused.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I had assumed it would work this way:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">1) I enter <a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>
into the RP’s login window</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">2) The RP would assume this is <a href="mailto:acct%3Apaulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">3) The RP would query <a href="http://www.packetizer.com/.well-known/host-meta" target="_blank">http://www.packetizer.com/.well-known/host-meta</a>
to get an XRD document that contains an lrdd link relation with, for example,
an href="<a href="http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri=%7Buri%7D" target="_blank">http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri={uri}</a>"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">4) The RP would then query the LRDD link with the acct: URI</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">5) The would return another XRD document with a <Subject>
of <a href="mailto:acct%3Apaulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a>, and a <Link> with a link relation value of
“openid” (or whatever the group wants to define)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">6) The href associated with the above <Link> would be the
user’s claimed ID.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">At this point, the RP has an OpenID claimed ID, just as if the
user had entered that value into the current OpenID login box to begin with.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">BTW, all of this is functioning on my site now if you want to
actually issue queries to see the results. It’s not being used for
anything right now, but I implemented it just for the heck of it :-)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">So, if you’re suggesting the mapping from <a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a> to claimed ID
would work differently, what steps are you proposing to be taken?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Paul</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> John Bradley
[mailto:<a href="mailto:john.bradley@wingaa.com" target="_blank">john.bradley@wingaa.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul E. Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Santosh Rajan'; <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a></span></p><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OpenID V.Next - Some Views to Consider</div></div><p></p>
</div>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The openID link relation is to your openID service eg Google
not your claimed_id.</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The <Subject> of the XRD is the name of the thing you
are looking up.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you input <span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">into a LRDD
resolution process and use webfinger for normalization you will get a XRD.</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">That XRD may have the
<Subject> </span></span><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a> </span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">That would be up to you or
your OP to decide. </span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">I think Santosh wants to
allow you the option of having <a href="mailto:acct%3Apaulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a> as the subject of the
XRD.</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">This leads to questions about
what the core protocol is validating. Is it the claimed_id or the
openid.identity. </span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">Do we need both, is
delegation supported, and if so how, etc.</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">I think the WG needs to
consider what impact having non http/https URI as claimed ID has on the overall
protocol.</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">I don't want to restrict the
WG from considering the issue via the charter.</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">John B.</span></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2010-05-13, at 10:51 AM, Paul E. Jones wrote:</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Santosh,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The subject of<span> </span><a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a><span> </span>is what?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If that can be assumed to be <a href="mailto:acct%3Apaulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a>, then
when WebFinger is employed, the Subject of the XRD document is
<a href="mailto:acct%3Apaulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a>. That’s not what I want.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Inside the XRD document should be a link like this:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><Link rel="openid" href="<a href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>"/></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The link relation value is still subject to debate, but
that’s what I think we should use to identify the claimed ID.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Paul</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Santosh Rajan<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, May 13,
2010 1:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>John Bradley<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: OpenID V.Next
- Some Views to Consider</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I will vote for the Subject of
the XRD to be the claimed_id. It only seems natural, and clean to do that. </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:17 AM, John Bradley <<a href="mailto:john.bradley@wingaa.com" target="_blank">john.bradley@wingaa.com</a>> wrote:</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">So if openID supports LRDD then normalization rules for
Acct: and other URI schemes could be specified so that they to can be resolved
to a XRD.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The question will be for the core protocol what to use as
the claimed_id. </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are three schools of thought.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1 The normalized input identifier</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2 The Subject of the XRD</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">3 The claimed_id that the OP returns.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are arguments to be made for all three.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I expect this to be addressed in the WG.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2010-05-12, at 12:34 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Starting a new thread here based on an earlier one quoted
below.</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let us reconsider the definition of OpenID for V.next. I
would like to see a new definition for OpenID.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">"An OpenID is Any Valid URI that can be resolved to
it's Descriptor".</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now let me give a little explanation on the above, with a
few points.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1) Existing OpenID's version 1 and 2 are compatible with the
above definition. (http(s) OpenId's version 1 and 2 do resolve to their
descriptor's)</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2) Email like identifiers are compatible with the above
definition with the webfinger protocol, and ofcourse resolve to their
descriptor's.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now any other future protocol that can make its URI
resolvable to a descriptor, will also be a Valid OpenID. Let me give an example.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">According to the above definition we can make "tag
URI's" valid OpenID's, as long as we have a protocol to resolve this URI
to its's descriptor.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="border:dashed #2F6FAB 1.0pt;padding:12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt 12.0pt;background-repeat:initial"><pre style="line-height:13.2pt;background:#F9F9F9"><span style="color:black"> </span></pre><pre style="line-height:13.2pt;background:#F9F9F9;background-repeat:initial;border-width:initial;border-color:initial">
<span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:tag%3Auser@example.com" target="_blank">tag:user@example.com</a>,2007-11-02:Tag_URI</span></pre></div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now as far as I am concerned tag URI's are even better as
OpenID's, because they are unique over space and time.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Webfinger support for tag URI's anyone? :-)</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">---------- Forwarded message
----------<br>
From:<span> </span><b>Paul E. Jones</b><span> </span><<a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:11 AM<br>
Subject: RE: Draft charter for v.Next Attributes working group<br>
To: Santosh Rajan <<a href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com" target="_blank">santrajan@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>>,<span> </span><a href="mailto:jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org" target="_blank">jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org</a>,<span> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>,<span> </span><a href="mailto:tech-comm@openid.net" target="_blank">tech-comm@openid.net</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Santosh,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Why not store
the claimed ID in the webfinger (LRDD) XRD document?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The objective,
I would hope, is to make it easier to log into web sites. Email-style
identifiers make that easier, but the system does not have to be built around
those.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">So, I sign up
with a service provider. Let’s just use my own site as an
example. I am assigned an email address<span> </span><a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>.
Behind the scenes, I am also assign an OpenID ID<span> </span><a href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>.
Now, when I visit a web site, I can type ‘<a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>’
and the site can perform a webfinger query to discovery by OpenID ID. We
would define a link relation (something we’ve talked about before) that
represents openid. It could be<span> </span><a href="http://openid.net/identity" target="_blank">http://openid.net/identity</a><span> </span>or it could be simply
“openid” (since link relations need not be URIs). Looking at
the href of the “openid” link relation, one would find my OpenID
URI<a href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Now, should I
wish to have a different email provider than my openid provider, that’s
fine: I could change the record associated with the openid link relation to
contain a different OpenID identifier. Alternatively, I could just get an
account at<span> </span><a href="http://someopenidop.com/" target="_blank">someopenidop.com</a><span> </span>and they might assign an e-mail style
address like<span> </span><a href="mailto:paulej@someopenidop.com" target="_blank">paulej@someopenidop.com</a><span> </span>and perform the Webfinger resolution
behind the scenes.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Anyway, issue
this request:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">$ curl<span> </span><a href="http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri=acct:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri=acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">You’ll
see the link relation for my claimed ID:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"><Link rel="<a href="http://openid.net/identity" target="_blank">http://openid.net/identity</a>"</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D"> href="<a href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>"/></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">It does
introduce another protocol, but I think these play nicely together. The
real identity would remain the URL that OpenID uses today. The email
identifier would just be an alias for it.</span></p>
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<b>To:</b><span> </span>Paul E. Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Mike Jones;<span> </span><a href="mailto:jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org" target="_blank">jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org</a>;<span> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>;<span> </span><a href="mailto:tech-comm@openid.net" target="_blank">tech-comm@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: Draft charter
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