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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Perhaps we need to walk through this so that I don’t get
confused.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I had assumed it would work this way:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1) I enter <a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">paulej@packetizer.com</a>
into the RP’s login window<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>2) The RP would assume this is acct:paulej@packetizer.com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>3) The RP would query http://www.packetizer.com/.well-known/host-meta
to get an XRD document that contains an lrdd link relation with, for example,
an href="http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri={uri}"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>4) The RP would then query the LRDD link with the acct: URI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>5) The would return another XRD document with a <Subject>
of acct:paulej@packetizer.com, and a <Link> with a link relation value of
“openid” (or whatever the group wants to define)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>6) The href associated with the above <Link> would be the
user’s claimed ID.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>At this point, the RP has an OpenID claimed ID, just as if the
user had entered that value into the current OpenID login box to begin with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BTW, all of this is functioning on my site now if you want to
actually issue queries to see the results. It’s not being used for
anything right now, but I implemented it just for the heck of it :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So, if you’re suggesting the mapping from <a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">paulej@packetizer.com</a> to claimed ID
would work differently, what steps are you proposing to be taken?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Bradley
[mailto:john.bradley@wingaa.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul E. Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Santosh Rajan'; openid-specs@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OpenID V.Next - Some Views to Consider<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The openID link relation is to your openID service eg Google
not your claimed_id.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The <Subject> of the XRD is the name of the thing you
are looking up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If you input <span class=apple-style-span><span
style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">paulej@packetizer.com</a> </span></span><span
class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>into a LRDD
resolution process and use webfinger for normalization you will get a XRD.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>That XRD may have the
<Subject> </span></span><span class=apple-style-span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>That would be up to you or
your OP to decide. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I think Santosh wants to
allow you the option of having acct:paulej@packetizer.com as the subject of the
XRD.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>This leads to questions about
what the core protocol is validating. Is it the claimed_id or the
openid.identity. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Do we need both, is
delegation supported, and if so how, etc.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I think the WG needs to
consider what impact having non http/https URI as claimed ID has on the overall
protocol.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I don't want to restrict the
WG from considering the issue via the charter.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>John B.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 2010-05-13, at 10:51 AM, Paul E. Jones wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Santosh,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The subject of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">paulej@packetizer.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>is what?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If that can be assumed to be acct:paulej@packetizer.com, then
when WebFinger is employed, the Subject of the XRD document is
acct:paulej@packetizer.com. That’s not what I want.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Inside the XRD document should be a link like this:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:#1F497D'><Link rel="openid" href="<a
href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>"/></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The link relation value is still subject to debate, but
that’s what I think we should use to identify the claimed ID.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Santosh Rajan<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 13,
2010 1:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>John Bradley<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: OpenID V.Next
- Some Views to Consider</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I will vote for the Subject of
the XRD to be the claimed_id. It only seems natural, and clean to do that. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:17 AM, John Bradley <<a
href="mailto:john.bradley@wingaa.com">john.bradley@wingaa.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So if openID supports LRDD then normalization rules for
Acct: and other URI schemes could be specified so that they to can be resolved
to a XRD.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The question will be for the core protocol what to use as
the claimed_id. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>There are three schools of thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1 The normalized input identifier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2 The Subject of the XRD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>3 The claimed_id that the OP returns.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>There are arguments to be made for all three.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I expect this to be addressed in the WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 2010-05-12, at 12:34 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Starting a new thread here based on an earlier one quoted
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Let us reconsider the definition of OpenID for V.next. I
would like to see a new definition for OpenID.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>"An OpenID is Any Valid URI that can be resolved to
it's Descriptor".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now let me give a little explanation on the above, with a
few points.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1) Existing OpenID's version 1 and 2 are compatible with the
above definition. (http(s) OpenId's version 1 and 2 do resolve to their
descriptor's)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2) Email like identifiers are compatible with the above
definition with the webfinger protocol, and ofcourse resolve to their
descriptor's.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now any other future protocol that can make its URI
resolvable to a descriptor, will also be a Valid OpenID. Let me give an example.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>According to the above definition we can make "tag
URI's" valid OpenID's, as long as we have a protocol to resolve this URI
to its's descriptor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:black'><a href="mailto:tag%3Auser@example.com" target="_blank">tag:user@example.com</a>,2007-11-02:Tag_URI</span><o:p></o:p></pre></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now as far as I am concerned tag URI's are even better as
OpenID's, because they are unique over space and time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Webfinger support for tag URI's anyone? :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Paul E. Jones</b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>><br>
Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:11 AM<br>
Subject: RE: Draft charter for v.Next Attributes working group<br>
To: Santosh Rajan <<a href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com" target="_blank">santrajan@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>>,<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org" target="_blank">jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org</a>,<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>,<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:tech-comm@openid.net"
target="_blank">tech-comm@openid.net</a><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Santosh,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Why not store
the claimed ID in the webfinger (LRDD) XRD document?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The objective,
I would hope, is to make it easier to log into web sites. Email-style
identifiers make that easier, but the system does not have to be built around
those.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So, I sign up
with a service provider. Let’s just use my own site as an
example. I am assigned an email address<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>.
Behind the scenes, I am also assign an OpenID ID<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>.
Now, when I visit a web site, I can type ‘<a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>’
and the site can perform a webfinger query to discovery by OpenID ID. We
would define a link relation (something we’ve talked about before) that
represents openid. It could be<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://openid.net/identity" target="_blank">http://openid.net/identity</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>or it could be simply
“openid” (since link relations need not be URIs). Looking at
the href of the “openid” link relation, one would find my OpenID
URI<a href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Now, should I
wish to have a different email provider than my openid provider, that’s
fine: I could change the record associated with the openid link relation to
contain a different OpenID identifier. Alternatively, I could just get an
account at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://someopenidop.com/" target="_blank">someopenidop.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>and they might assign an e-mail style
address like<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:paulej@someopenidop.com" target="_blank">paulej@someopenidop.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>and perform the Webfinger resolution
behind the scenes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Anyway, issue
this request:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:#1F497D'>$ curl<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri=acct:paulej@packetizer.com"
target="_blank">http://www.packetizer.com/lrdd/?uri=acct:paulej@packetizer.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>You’ll
see the link relation for my claimed ID:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:#1F497D'><Link rel="<a href="http://openid.net/identity"
target="_blank">http://openid.net/identity</a>"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:#1F497D'> href="<a
href="http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej" target="_blank">http://openid.packetizer.com/paulej</a>"/></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>It does
introduce another protocol, but I think these play nicely together. The
real identity would remain the URL that OpenID uses today. The email
identifier would just be an alias for it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Santosh Rajan [mailto:<a
href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com" target="_blank">santrajan@gmail.com</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, May 11,
2010 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Paul E. Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Mike Jones;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org" target="_blank">jsmarr@stanfordalumni.org</a>;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:tech-comm@openid.net"
target="_blank">tech-comm@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Draft charter
for v.Next Attributes working group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Paul E. Jones <<a
href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com" target="_blank">paulej@packetizer.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Adding support
for email-style addresses is something I like, but something that can be
provided via webfinger. Thus, no change to the base protocol.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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address the issue of email like identifiers. I would like to see that email
like identifiers are valid OpenID claimed id's.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So something like acct:example @<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://example.com/"
target="_blank">example.com</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>should
be a valid OpenID claimed_id.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Also this discussion should not be in this thread (about
attributes) and maybe someone could start a new thread on this subject.<o:p></o:p></p>
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