<html><head><base href="x-msg://444/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Mike,<div><br></div><div>I think this group needs to cover both discovery and the meta-data that is discovered. </div><div><br></div><div>There are probably three tasks:</div><div>1 resolve identifiers to meta-data.</div><div>2 define standards for representing the required features in the meta-data.</div><div>3 define a trust model for the meta-data.</div><div><br></div><div>Under purpose I would add:</div><div><br></div><div>- enable discovery of third party attested attributes such as Level of Assurance and Level of protection.</div><div><br></div><div>The certification working group will likely require that feature. </div><div><br></div><div>We are defining meta-data about the User, OP, and RP.</div><div><br></div><div>Should we list as a goal having a single format for all 3? It is implied but not stated.</div><div><br></div><div>Good first pass.</div><div><br></div><div>John B.<br><div><div>On 2010-04-13, at 3:30 PM, Mike Jones wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">What follows is a draft charter for the OpenID v.Next Discovery working group. This is one of 5 related charters for v.Next working groups to be formed to be discussed here, per my previous message. Feedback is welcome, as are potential working group participants.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b>(a)</b><b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><u>Charter</u></i>.<o:p></o:p></b></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(i)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>WG name:</b> OpenID v.Next Discovery.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(ii)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Purpose:</b> Produce a discovery specification or family of discovery specifications for OpenID v.Next that address the limitations and drawbacks present in the OpenID 2.0 discovery facilities that limit OpenID’s applicability, adoption, usability, privacy, and security. Specific goals are:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>enable discovery for OpenID identifiers, including those utilizing e-mail address syntax and those that are URLs,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>enable discovery of features supported by OpenID v.Next OpenID Providers and Relying Parties,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>enable discovery of attributes about OpenID v.Next OPs and RPs, including, but limited to visual logos and human-readable site names,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>enable discovery supporting a spectrum of clients, including passive clients per current usage, thin active clients, and active clients with OP functionality,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>enable discovery supporting authentication to and use of attributes by non-browser applications,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 45pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>seamlessly integrate with and complement the other OpenID v.Next specifications.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "> Compatibility with OpenID 2.0 is an explicit non-goal for this work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(iii)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Scope:</b> Produce a next generation OpenID discovery specification or specifications, consistent with the purpose statement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(iv)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Proposed List of Specifications</b>: OpenID v.Next Discovery and possibly related specifications.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(v)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Anticipated audience or users of the work:</b> Implementers of OpenID Providers, Relying Parties, Active Clients, and non-browser applications utilizing OpenID.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(vi)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Language in which the WG will conduct business</b>: English.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(vii)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Method of work: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>E-mail discussions on the working group mailing list, working group conference calls, and face-to-face meetings at the Internet Identity Workshop and OpenID summits.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(viii)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Basis for determining when the work of the WG is completed:</b> Work will not be deemed to be complete until there is a consensus that the resulting protocol specification or family of specifications fulfills the working group goals. Additional proposed changes beyond that initial consensus will be evaluated on the basis of whether they increase or decrease consensus within the working group. The work will be completed once it is apparent that maximal consensus on the draft has been achieved, consistent with the purpose and scope.<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b>(b)</b><b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i><u>Background Information</u></i>.<o:p></o:p></b></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(i)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Related work being done in other WGs or organizations</b>: OpenID Authentication 2.0 and related specifications, including Yadis 1.0. OAuth and OAuth WRAP. XRDS, XRD, and WebFinger.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(ii)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Proposers:</b><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Allen Tom,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:atom@yahoo-inc.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">atom@yahoo-inc.com</a>, Yahoo! (co-chair)<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Michael B. Jones,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mbj@microsoft.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mbj@microsoft.com</a>, Microsoft (co-chair)<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">John Bradley,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>, independent<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>Additional proposers to be added here<o:p></o:p></i></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 2pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -27pt; "><b>(iii)</b> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Anticipated Contributions</b>: None.<o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><span><OpenID v.Next Discovery Working Group Charter.doc></span></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>