<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes, The point being it is more than just an extension.<div><br></div><div>John B.<br><div><div>On 2010-02-05, at 3:34 PM, Paul Madsen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Are there not 2 pieces 1) an extension to carry the artifact and 2) a
new binding for dereferencing<br>
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paul <br>
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On 2/5/2010 11:01 AM, John Bradley wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4B0504D0-5E5C-494E-99D7-F2EF688AEF85@wingaa.com" type="cite">This creates a new direct message type. I thought
extensions were extending the existing messages.
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<div>It is probably a grey area.</div>
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<div>Other protocols consider this to be a separate protocol binding
rather than an extension of the redirect or POST binding.</div>
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<div>On 2010-02-05, at 12:23 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hey Nat,
<div>Shouldn't this be considered an extension?</div>
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<div>--David<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Nat
Sakimura <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com">sakimura@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>OpenID
Artifact Binding Working Group</strong></div>
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<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>Charter
Proposal</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">In
accordance with the OpenID Foundation IPR policies and procedures this
note proposes the formation of a new working group chartered to produce
an OpenID specification. As per Section 4.1 of the Policies, the
proposed charter is below.</div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>I.
Name</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">Artifact
Binding Working Group (AB)</div>
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<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>II.
Statement of Purpose</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">Produce
a binding of OpenID requests and response (assertion) that uses direct
communication for main payload and indirect communication for a small
reference data called Artifact to cope with long URL limits experienced
by man</div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>III.
Scope</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">Create
the Artifact Binding to support the identified needs. Currently
identified: </div>
<ul style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 1.2em 2em; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">
Cope with long url problem, especially for mobile browsers. </li>
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">Cope
with the security problems of non-encrypted payload to go through the
user agents which may act as a man-in-the-middle. </li>
</ul>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>IV.
Specifications</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">OpenID
Artifact Binding 1.0</div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>V.
Anticipated audience</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">All
those interested in using OpenID in mobile and other constrained
browser and server elements. </div>
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<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>VI.
Language of business</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">English.</div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>VII.
Method of work</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">Mailing
list discussion. Posting of intermediate drafts in the OpenID Wiki.
Virtual conferencing on an ad-hoc basis.</div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>VIII.
Basis for completion of the activity</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">The
Artifact Binding 1.0 spec made final.</div>
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<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>Background
Information</strong></div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>I.
Related Work</strong></div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">SAML
Artifact Binding</div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">OAuth</div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">Wrap</div>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;">Contract
Exchange</div>
<hr style="border-width: 0px; margin: 9px 0px 8px; min-height: 1px; font-size: 1px; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>II.
Initial Membership</strong></div>
<ul style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 3em; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">
Breno de Medeiros, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:breno@google.com" target="_blank">breno@google.com</a>.
Google, Inc. </li>
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">Hideki
Nara, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hdknr@ic-tact.co.jp" target="_blank">hdknr@ic-tact.co.jp</a>, Tact Communications</li>
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">Nat
Sakimura, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:n-sakimura@nri.co.jp" target="_blank">n-sakimura@nri.co.jp</a>, Nomura Research Institute,
Ltd. (editor)</li>
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">John
Bradley, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" target="_blank">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a></li>
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">Allen
Tom, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:atom@yahoo-inc.com" target="_blank">atom@yahoo-inc.com</a>, Yahoo!</li>
<li style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">Will
Norris, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:will@willnorris.com" target="_blank">will@willnorris.com</a></li>
</ul>
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<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><strong>III.
Expected contribution</strong></div><p style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"> </p>
<div style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 1.5em;"><span style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; line-height: 15px;">Draft:
OpenID Artifact Binding 1.0 - Draft 01, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sakimura.org/specs/ab/1.0/" style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(17, 68, 136);" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/specs/ab/1.0/</a></span></div>
</span><br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://twitter.com/_nat_en" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/_nat_en</a><br>
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