<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Fair point about keeping the option with the user - one that I agree with. My key point here is to demonstrate the need for a library that creates an easy-to-implement option for RPs that can handle the federated model of OpenID in a robust way. One of the challenges with giving the user the choice is in making that process a good user experience, one that is intuitive and not intimidating. My suggestion about surfacing prominent providers is really about offering that one-click experience to the user. The first image in the second post that you provided (<A href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/3119473900_55bdc12279.jpg?v=0">http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/3119473900_55bdc12279.jpg?v=0</A>) captures the basic idea that I was shooting for... allowing a one-click option for the user (my idea was that those OPs -
AOL, Facebook, Google, etc. - would be identified by parameters passed through to the library).</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/14/09, Chris Messina <I><chris.messina@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Chris Messina <chris.messina@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: Discovery of an OpenID session at an OP<BR>To: "daniel jacobson" <fragment37@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: "Chris Obdam" <chris.obdam@holder.nl>, "openid-specs@lists.openid.net" <openid-specs@lists.openid.net>, santrajan@gmail.com<BR>Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 11:35 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I think the biggest benefit to RPs is to create a library that is robust and portable that would allow for them to designate which OPs they care about. </DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR clear=all>I don't want this thread to be taken off course, but for the RP to specify which OPs it supports greatly diminishes the user-centric element of OpenID. The point of OpenID is that I, as a user, can decide who I trust to store my data and provide my identity — rather than having to choose from a specific subset of providers that the RP decides on.
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<DIV>This, I suppose, is en vogue today because of Facebook and Twitter Connect, but if the model is to move towards ever greater consolidation of OPs at the whim and discretion of RPs, then I believe we have greatly undermined a fundamental aspect of OpenID.</DIV>
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<DIV>To your question about how this can be done — and "getting the Facebook folks involved" — you should read Luke Shepard's post on how Facebook's accomplishes sign-on with Facebook Connect:</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.sociallipstick.com/?p=86" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.sociallipstick.com/?p=86</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.sociallipstick.com/?p=167" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.sociallipstick.com/?p=167</A></DIV>
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