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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll give you that one: that’s certainly
easier. But, does not cause some confusion? After all, one’s
identity is not yahoo.com, but that is the identity provider. Perhaps the
prompts around the Internet ought to Say “OpenID Provider:”
instead? :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Presently, this variant works form some providers, but not most.
I assume it’s due to the fact they’re not fully compliant with the
spec yet? Or, is there some confusion as to how this ought to work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Dick Hardt
[mailto:dick@sxip.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul E. Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Eran Hammer-Lahav'; specs@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Using email address as OpenID identifier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Entering yahoo.com is even easier!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 1-Apr-08, at 10:05 PM, Paul E. Jones wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Eran,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m not suggesting that the address must be a real e-mail
address. I’m suggesting that the ID has that form. It’s
easier for users than entering<a href="https://me.yahoo.com/userid">https://me.yahoo.com/userid</a>.
If it happens to also be one’s real e-mail address, fine. That
would be a plus for me, but I don’t see that as a requirement.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net">specs-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a
href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net">mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Eran Hammer-Lahav<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, April 02,
2008 12:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: Using email
address as OpenID identifier</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Take a look at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/01/addressing-open.html">http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/01/addressing-open.html</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>- especially the list of other
solutions proposed before me, as well as Brad’s proposal.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The thing is, you need the @gmail, @hotmail, @msn, @yahoo, @aol
to support this DNS, and they *<b>are</b>* the email providers.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>EHL</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Paul E.
Jones [<a href="mailto:paulej@packetizer.com">mailto:paulej@packetizer.com</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, April 01,
2008 11:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Eran Hammer-Lahav;<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: Using email
address as OpenID identifier</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Eran,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You’re entirely correct that this is not an OpenID issue,
per se. In fact, not a single word of text would need to be changed in
the current v2 specs, as far as I’m concerned.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But, I do think that it will take some of the core OpenID team
members to put a stake in the ground and say, “this is the convention
that we’ll follow.” What needs to happen then is perhaps an
extension written that explains how to convert an email address to a URL.
Using NAPTR records seems like the simplest way to do it to me, but I’m
open to suggestions.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Perhaps it is important to say, though, that I do not think it
requires the e-mail providers to get on board with this (in my view) simpler
notation. I could use an ID like<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:paulej@myopenid.com">paulej@myopenid.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>and that should work, if myopenid.com
would publish the appropriate NAPTR record. I could also insert NAPTR
records into the packetizer.com DNS server that would allow me to use my email
address, but point at my preferred OpenID provider. In short, just
because the user@domain syntax is used does not mean that it necessarily an
e-mail address: it could be, but more importantly, it just follows that
familiar format documented in RFC 822.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net">specs-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a
href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net">mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Eran Hammer-Lahav<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, April 01,
2008 10:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: Using email
address as OpenID identifier</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The beauty of the current OpenID spec is that anyone can
implement it and go live. However, with email identifiers you need email
providers to support it. If Google, Yahoo, AOL, or Microsoft announced they are
adding such a feature, I am sure the others are likely to follow. Get 2 of
these 4 and you’ve got something going. But the biggest issue is not
picking a standard but finding a company willing to put something out there.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As for the technical solutions, there are many from DNS to XRDS
to a simple template agreed by all. Brad Fitzpatrick argued at FooCamp that
this is not an OpenID issue, but a non-HTTP URI --> HTTP URI conversation.
Basically if you had a generic way of moving from<a
href="mailto:user@example.com">mailto:user@example.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>to<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="http://example.com/url/user">http://example.com/url/user</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>(or any other URI with HTTP, the
domain, and the user), any URI can be used for OpenID.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But at the end this is about someone of a major email provider
saying they are interested and put out something people can use. After that I
expect the snowball to roll. So, do you know anyone?<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
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color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net">specs-bounces@openid.net</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net">mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Paul E. Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, April 01,
2008 10:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Using email
address as OpenID identifier</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I’ve seen discussion here and there on the use of the e-mail
address as the OpenID identifier. Perhaps this one says it best:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><a href="http://www.majordojo.com/2007/02/what-openid-needs.php">http://www.majordojo.com/2007/02/what-openid-needs.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I share many of same opinions. If OpenID is going to be
practically usable by the average person, we cannot require the person to
remember some very complex identifier. When I signed up for Yahoo’s
OpenID service, it presented me with a hideously ugly URL that looked similar
to a base64-encoded string. I could not begin to tell you what it
was. Fortunately, Yahoo allowed me to define my own, friendlier
name. Still, the ID is not one that the average user will remember or get
right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>While the e-mail address does not have to be the one’s ID,
it can certainly serve as an alias. Suppose, for example, that the DNS
records at Yahoo contained the following entry:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
color:black'> yahoo.com. IN NAPTR 100 10 "U"
"OpenID2" "^(.+)@(.*)$!<a href="https://me.yahoo.com/">https://me.yahoo.com/</a>\1!i"</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>This would allow a Relaying Party to accept an e-mail address and
perform a simple transformation to get the “real” URL
identifier. Of course, this does not mean that the existing URL or XRI
identifiers are invalid, nor does it mean that the “email address”
has to be a real e-mail address. But, this form would certainly be far
simpler for most people to deal use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>If something like this has been discussed and rejected, what was
the reason?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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