As Gabe points out, such a strawman approach to settling the IPR policy issue might not be in keeping with the spirit of this development process. But, other than that, I think Phillip's suggestion is a good one. I'm not familiar enough with the spirit of this development process to weigh in on whether such a suggestion is appropriate or not.
<br><br>--Brett<br><br>P.S.<br>For what its worth, the W3C IPR Policy is very similar to the Liberty Alliance and OASIS IPR policies.<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/7/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hallam-Baker, Phillip
</b> <<a href="mailto:pbaker@verisign.com">pbaker@verisign.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Why not just take the W3C IPR policy verbatim and change
the organization name?</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">The W3C patent policy is I believe released under
creative commons for precisely this reason if not this can easily happen. The
agreement was subscribed to by all the major vendors and the major open source
groups.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Unless someone wants to incorporate proprietary technology
that they are not willing to release the rights to as required by the W3C terms
this is a debate we don't need to have.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Ideally the Apache, Mozilla, OASIS, W3C and IETF IPR WGs
would get together and devise an industry standard acceptable to both Open
Source and proprietary vendors. The introduction of suspense licenses means that
it is not unthinkable that they would reach a common set of
terms.</font></span></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">specs-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">specs-bounces@openid.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gabe
Wachob<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:01 PM<br><b>To:</b>
'Brett McDowell'; Recordon, David<span class="q"><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">specs@openid.net</a>;
<a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">general@openid.net</a><br></span><b>Subject:</b> RE: OpenID IPR Policy
Draft<br></font><br></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10f5e248034a2280_3">
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">Brett-</span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">
We need to get consensus on what the community wants before we take this to an
attorney.. However, I've done these sorts of IPR policies for standards
efforts several times and I can tell you that the process of working through
these IPR policies is slow, painful and expensive. I think presenting an
"already baked" (ie already drafted by lawyers) IPR policy to this community
and asking for a up/down vote is not in keeping with the spirit of this
development process. </span></font></p>
<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial;">
-Gabe</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">specs-bounces@openid.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
specs-bounces@openid.net</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Brett McDowell<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:48
AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Recordon,
David<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">specs@openid.net</a>;
<a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">general@openid.net</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: OpenID IPR Policy Draft</span></font></p></div>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This is normally lawyer work. I
recommend the companies & individuals invested in OpenID immediately turn
this exercise over to your legal counsel to ensure your interests--and the
interests of the community--are protected appropriately. <br><br>Does the new
OpenID organization have legal counsel retained (I don't mean volunteers, but
actually hired)? If not, that would be my second
recommendation.<br><br>--Brett</span></font></p>
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 12/6/06, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Recordon, David</span></b> <<a href="mailto:drecordon@verisign.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
drecordon@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hey guys,<br>Been working with Gabe, and others, on
starting to draft an IPR Policy<br>for OpenID specifications. We'd
appreciate feedback in terms of if what<br>is written captures the correct
intent of the community? We realize the <br>language isn't
technically as tight as it needs to be, though first want<br>to make sure it
is saying the right thing. It is largely based on the<br>IPR Policy
for Microformats.<br><br><a href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/IPR_Policy" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/IPR_Policy</a><br><br>Thanks,<br>--David
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