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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=581043919-20102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This all depends on whether OpenIDs are going to be used
exclusively as hooks for attributes or as a contact
mechanism.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=581043919-20102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I think that there will inevitably be demand to use the
identifiers as contact addresses. The question is how this need is going to be
met in a way that prevents people being spammed to death.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=581043919-20102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I don't see how anyone is going to pay to be =drummond if
they are the only person who is ever going to type the text in. The idea makes
no sense since anyone who cares about what they type in can get a plug in that
provides a pretty name for free.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=581043919-20102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ergo we are talking about contact addresses and on the
Internet that means email addresses. I am willing to watch people spend
large amounts of money attempting to prove otherwise. I am not going to throw
roadblocks in their way to the tar pit. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=581043919-20102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>All I want is the ability to say to people 'I told you so'
afterwards. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=581043919-20102006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>And to offer email addresses on an equal basis with XRIs.
In other words I am quite happy for others to jump into what I believe to be a
tar pit and splash around. What I object to is being tied to
them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> specs-bounces@openid.net
[mailto:specs-bounces@openid.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Panzer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 20, 2006 3:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Kaliya
*<BR><B>Cc:</B> specs@openid.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PROPOSAL] Handle
"http://user@example.com" Style Identifiers<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face=Arial,sans-serif><FONT size=2><SPAN type="cite">Kaliya *
wrote on 10/20/2006, 11:57 AM:</SPAN> </FONT></FONT>
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type="cite"><FONT face=Arial,sans-serif size=2>I think it is a terrible
idea.<BR><BR>1) If you put something out into the market that looks like an
e-mail it will be used like an e-mail. I have personal experience with this.
<BR><BR>I had a AIM handle for the Mac part of the universe <A
href="mailto:kaliya@mac.com">kaliya@mac.com</A> (it was not an e-mail
address) but because it looked like one people used it like one and I
basically had to go to .mac and pay for an account so that the wires did not
cross. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial,sans-serif>This came
out of the discussions we have about a smooth migration path for our users at
AOL. In our case the <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:user@example.com">user@example.com</A> nickname is also a
resolvable email address, though it may not be the primary mail account of the
user. I'd suggest that as a best practice, anywhere that a <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:user@example.com">user@example.com</A> nickname is used, it
should also be a resolvable email address. And there should always be an
option to not use something that looks like an email
address.</FONT></FONT><BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue thin solid"
type="cite"><FONT face=Arial,sans-serif size=2>2) I think OpenID is new and
needs a new way to identify folks. And it is our job to teach people about
this new way. Lots of services give people homepages within their
spaces...myspace, AIMpages etc. so they can use those URL's if they
don't have one yet they can get one. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial,sans-serif>There's a bootstrapping problem here. It's very,
very hard to promote the use of something that requires a more complex login
flow to replace something that is very simple (albeit limited and in its own
silo). How can we cross this chasm? Our suggestion is to support
existing practice of <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:user@example.org">user@example.org</A> in a standard way, while
being open to new practices. Once we can support both we can gain
experience and start gradually migrating people over to the new world.
At least that's my take.<BR></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial,sans-serif><FONT
size=2><BR><SPAN>-- <BR><A href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/aol/SzHO"><IMG
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NOSEND="1"></A>John Panzer<BR>System Architect<BR><A
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