[OIDFSC] OpenID v.Next Discovery Working Group Proposal
Nat Sakimura
n-sakimura at nri.co.jp
Tue May 25 07:15:31 UTC 2010
>From the "commoner's" perspective, hg.openid.net and
bitbucket.org/openid is somewhat different. Whether "openid" is in the
"authority" segment or not makes the difference.
For tools, wiki is sub-optimal for issue tracking. For that matter, I
agree that bitbucket.org's issue tracking neither comes to my
expectation, but at least, I would not have to set a server up or create
new identity. I can reuse my openid.
Ideally, it should be something that allows us to:
- Use OpenID to login
- Track the changes.
- Issue should be assigned
- the expected end date
- person in charge
- status
This will greately simplify our lives. Wiki is not so good for these
when many issues starts to accumulate. FYI, I use redmine for my day job
projects and are fairly good, but it is not a hosted solution.
=nat
(2010/05/25 13:05), David Recordon wrote:
> Or continue using BitBucket without a custom domain. I'm all for
> tools, but mercurial.openid.net <http://mercurial.openid.net> versus
> bitbucket.com/openid <http://bitbucket.com/openid> doesn't feel like a
> large difference.
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt at gmail.com
> <mailto:dick.hardt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> While I am a fan of using tools to simplify our lives, I am
> concerned that we have setup a number of tools that seemed like a
> good idea and did not get utilized.
> I am fearful that community members will spend time on a new tool,
> only to be disappointed in lack of use.
>
> How about we just use the wiki we have now to create a document we
> can all edit?
>
> -- Dick
>
> On 2010-05-24, at 7:24 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
>
> > There are various plans, but since OIDF is primarily operating
> in public,
> > I should think that "Amateur" plan would suffice. It is US$5/mo.
> > The limitation is that it can only have one private repository,
> > but that should be ok.
> >
> > =nat
> >
> > (2010/05/25 1:56), Brian Kissel wrote:
> >> What is the cost? The Tech Committee has some budget.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net
> <mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net>
> >> [mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net
> <mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net>] On Behalf Of Nat
> Sakimura
> >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:05 AM
> >> To: Johannes Ernst
> >> Cc: OpenID Specs Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] OpenID v.Next Discovery Working Group
> Proposal
> >>
> >> Good idea.
> >>
> >> I can setup a project under bitbucket.org/openid/
> <http://bitbucket.org/openid/> (shall we upgrade to
> >> non-free version
> >> so that we get it under openid.net <http://openid.net>?) and it
> has a rudimentary bug
> >> tracking system.
> >> It can be used by logging in by OpenID.
> >>
> >> =nat
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Johannes Ernst
> >> <jernst+openid.net <http://openid.net>@netmesh.us
> <http://netmesh.us>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Allen, combining what you just wrote with what Brian said on
> the board
> >>> mailing list about MRDs -- perhaps it would make sense to set
> up a "bug
> >>> tracking system" of some kind and use that to drive spec
> evolution?
> >>> On May 23, 2010, at 18:56, Allen Tom wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Johannes,
> >>>
> >>> There isn't a document summarizing the deficiencies with
> OpenID 2.0
> >>> discovery - I think it would be very useful for the WG and for the
> >>>
> >> Community
> >>
> >>> if we wrote this down
> >>>
> >>> Off the top of my head, some of the problems are:
> >>>
> >>> Yadis discovery is very vague as to exactly how the RP is
> supposed to
> >>>
> >> fetch
> >>
> >>> the OP's discovery document. Should it send the magic Accept
> header?
> >>>
> >> Look
> >>
> >>> for the X-XRDS-Location header in the response? Do HTML
> discovery? In
> >>> practice, many implementers have had problems implementing
> discovery
> >>>
> >> because
> >>
> >>> there are too many ways to do it
> >>> Speaking of Yadis, the specs need to be revised, and it's
> unclear how to
> >>>
> >> go
> >>
> >>> about doing this
> >>> Because a compromised discovery document can result in the
> complete
> >>> breakdown in OpenID security - it's important that we find ways to
> >>>
> >> increase
> >>
> >>> the security of discovery - perhaps it can be signed? Moved
> into DNS?
> >>> Discovery is hard to implement - the majority of the code in
> OpenID
> >>> libraries is to implement discovery. We can probably simplify
> discovery
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> require less code to implement
> >>> Delegation is a really useful feature in OpenID - it was pretty
> >>> straightforward in OpenID 1.1, but is very confusing (to say
> the least)
> >>>
> >> in
> >>
> >>> OpenID 2.0 - we can probably do something in discovery to make
> >>>
> >> delegation
> >>
> >>> work better
> >>> The infamous NASCAR problem could possibly be helped by discovery
> >>> The infamous phishing problem could also possibly be helped by
> discovery
> >>> LRDD, host-meta, and webfinger are pretty interesting - we
> should see
> >>>
> >> how
> >>
> >>> OpenID can leverage these new specs
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure that there are more issues with OpenID 2.0 discovery.
> Anyone
> >>>
> >> else
> >>
> >>> want to take a stab at it?
> >>>
> >>> Allen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/21/10 7:55 PM, "Johannes Ernst"<jernst+openid.net
> <http://openid.net>@netmesh.us <http://netmesh.us>>
> >>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On May 21, 2010, at 19:28, Allen Tom wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ... there's universal consensus that the existing OpenID 2.0
> discovery
> >>> mechanism is very deficient ...
> >>>
> >>> Is there a summary somewhere of this "universal consensus" of
> >>>
> >> deficiencies?
> >>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Johannes Ernst
> >>> NetMesh Inc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nat Sakimura (n-sakimura at nri.co.jp <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp>)
> > Nomura Research Institute, Ltd.
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Nat Sakimura (n-sakimura at nri.co.jp)
Nomura Research Institute, Ltd.
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