[WRAP] Name space and prefix - OpenID Harmonization

[Nat Sakimura]

Goodness...

Then what would be a good character for a delimiter?
Or do we just use '_' for it and stop using '_' for the readability?

=nat

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Joseph Smarr <jsmarr at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI, one reason OAuth/WRAP use _ instead of . is that PHP (stupidly)
> converts all . to _ in query var names, so it's just easier not to fight
> that, esp when you have to compute signatures. So if we're naming any new
> params, I'd strongly argue for _ over . as the delimiter. Yes it's dumb, but
> PHP is not going away any time soon, so this is the clear pragmatic choice.
> js
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-02-25, at 4:11 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> This may have come up earlier but ...
>>>
>>> I think Wrap should have a namespace / versioning syntax.
>>> Invariably, it will evolve, and will require version number etc. so, it
>>> seems better to me to have one from the beginning.
>>>
>>> e.g.,
>>>
>>> wrap_ns=http://whatever/wrap/1.0
>>>> wrap_client_id ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Versioning was discussed. I don't recall the details, but it was decided
>>> it did not add value.
>>>
>>>
>> I actually think it does.
>> Perhaps not in the initial version, but in the future for sure.
>> So, it is better to have it in the design from the beginning.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would go further. Why is underscore '_' is used for the delimiter?
>>> If we make it dot '.', it will improve the future compatibility with
>>> OpenID.
>>>
>>>
>>> Or OpenID could change to using '_'  :-)
>>>
>>
>> If you use '_' as the namespace delimiter, then '_' should be disallowed
>> in the parameter name, which is not the case right now.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, we could do something like:
>>>
>>> openid.ns=http://whatever/wrap/1.0
>>>
>>> openid.client_id ...
>>>
>>>
>>> The same applies for OpenID. For an unknown reason, though OpenID has
>>> namespace so that we write:
>>>
>>> openid.ns= http://specs.openid.net/auth/2.0
>>>
>>>
>>> the prefix "openid" is fixed. We should be able to change it like:
>>>
>>> wrap.ns=http://specs.openid.net/auth/2.0
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, the third point.
>>>
>>> Could we not try to harmonize the variable names between the two specs?
>>>
>>> OpenID is in use widely, so it is kind of hard to change it,
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting assumption. At IIW we discussed OpenID v Next that was NOT
>>> backward compatible. It would seem that there is an oppportunity to make
>>> changes to OpenID as well as OAuth WRAP.
>>>
>>
>> yes. The above also requires changes on the OpenID side, but I am seeing
>> an opportunity to make the transition smoother.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> so I would request Wrap community to come closer.
>>>
>>>
>>> WRAP followed OAuth, which has much broader adoption from what I know
>>> than OpenID
>>>
>>>
>> Arguably yes, but at the same time, 'wrap_' is not 'oauth_' ;-)
>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, we should try to harmonize/unite instead of fragmenting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed, but perhaps the changes could happen in OpenID or a combination?
>>>
>>
>> Definitely in combination.
>>
>> It is good that OpenID Foundation finally can start creating WGs again.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -- Dick
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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