Attribute Exchange 2.0

Wed Sep 16 20:28:29 UTC 2009

Sorry it slipped down the priority list with all of the GSA stuff.

John B.
On 2009-09-16, at 4:14 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:

> Nagging.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:08 PM, John Bradley  
> <john.bradley at wingaa.com> wrote:
>> I am referring to the URI or referring to attributes.
>> For email there are:
>> http://axschema.org/contact/email
>> http://schema.openid.net/contact/email
>> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/emailaddress
>> I have seen others used by OP's
>> schema.openid.net comes
>> from http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-types-1_0-02.html
>> the draft you are referring to but there is no host for that DNS  
>> name.
>> So a prerequisite for defining attribute types like this would be  
>> to define
>> the URI.
>> Some people want to use the openSocial schema, or EduPerson etc.
>> To make progress we need to get a WG chartered.
>> Yes Breno you can start nagging again:)
>> John B.
>> On 2009-09-16, at 2:29 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> The work at axschema on attribute value verification was part of  
>> Sxip not
>> covered under OIDF IPR.
>>
>> I don't think there is a problem with it but I don't know that it was
>> covered under Sxip's AX contribution to the OIDF.
>>
>> Perhaps Dick can fill us in on any IPR issues around the existing  
>> work.
>>
>> Ok
>>
>> At the moment we don't have URI for AX attributes never mind  
>> programatic
>> validation of the values.
>>
>> What do you mean with URI for AX attributes?
>>
>> This is partly related to the creation of a AX schema that we still  
>> need to
>> get a WG started for.
>>
>> I need to go back and work on the charter for that.
>>
>> Can I help with creating the charter?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Obdam
>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>
>>
>>
>> John B.
>>
>> On 2009-09-16, at 8:58 AM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, you're correct, I started at the
>> http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Attribute_Exchange_Extension_2_0 wiki  
>> page. I
>> got confused.
>>
>> Is there some kind of documentation on the previous discussions?
>>
>> The only thing I find missing at the moment is a description about  
>> the
>> validation types per type. And that's not really part of the draft  
>> but more
>> part of the axschema?
>>
>> But i'm not a experienced draft writer.. :-)
>>
>> /Chris
>>
>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 14:47 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> OK. It is not quite 2.0, but a profile of AX. Still, we should do it.
>>
>> The OpenID process is not as lightweight as I hope, unfortunately.
>>
>> It is kind of hard to kick start a WG here....
>>
>> That is the problem.
>>
>> I am trying to change.
>>
>> But, I suppose we should not be hang up on it and we should start
>> discussing.
>>
>> =nat
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Chris Obdam  
>> <chris.obdam at holder.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nat,
>>
>> This one:
>>
>> http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/attribute_exchange_validate/trunk/openid-attribute-exchange-validate-mode.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 13:59 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Yes. Let us reopen.
>>
>> Which draft do you mean, Chris?
>>
>> =nat
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris Obdam <chris.obdam at holder.nl>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Henrik,
>>
>> I, in a way, also represent a large OP from Holland. ±8 million  
>> users.
>>
>> We want to enable the RP to check the data. Based on that data the RP
>>
>> doesn't have to do that much checking anymore.
>>
>> I declare the discussion hereby opened ;-)
>>
>> @henrik  Do you already use the AX 2 draft somewhere, maybe in a test
>>
>> environment?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 11:53 heeft Henrik Biering het volgende  
>> geschreven:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> I called a session about this at the last IIW in May this year, but  
>> id
>>
>> did
>>
>> not attract much interest. The impression, that I got from this  
>> session
>>
>> and
>>
>> from other inputs is that the community in general wants to handle  
>> trust
>>
>> issues completely out of band (federated approach) - with PAPE as a
>>
>> partial
>>
>> exception to the rule.
>>
>> Representing an OpenID provider with focus on identity proofing  
>> coupled
>>
>> with usercentricity and privacy (indeed a very tricky combination) I
>>
>> would
>>
>> be more than happy to have this discussion reopened - as we have
>>
>> examples
>>
>> where generic out of band OP-RP trust is clearly not acceptable to
>>
>> users.
>>
>> Henrik Biering
>>
>> =henrik
>>
>> @netamia
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Obdam skrev:
>>
>> John, Allen,
>>
>> Thank you for your answers. With validation I mean the OpenID  
>> Attribute
>>
>> Exchange Validate Mode.
>>
>> In this spec there's a validation required per attribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> "openid.ax.validation.email=http://example.org/validation/ 
>> token_via_email
>>
>> Are there already validation 'types', like 'token_via_email',  
>> described
>>
>> in axschema (draft version?) or somewhere else?
>>
>> The AXSchema Google Group doesn't seem to be very active anymore.
>>
>> And of course: how can I help to start finalizing the draft? :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Obdam
>>
>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>
>>
>> Op 15 sep 2009, om 19:43 heeft John Bradley het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Currently the AX 2.0 work is stalled.  I don't know of any other  
>> list.
>>
>> Sxip was driving it, but is no more.
>>
>> Some people are using schema form axshema and others are using URI
>>
>> from
>>
>> openid.org in AX 1.0.
>>
>> John B.
>>
>> On 2009-09-15, at 12:07 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Is there a different list for the discussion about Attribute Exchange
>>
>> 2.0?
>>
>> A have some question regards that draft:
>>
>> • What is the current state?
>>
>> • Is there a axschema draft for using this version, especially the
>>
>> validation part.
>>
>> • We want to start validating in Holland with several large
>>
>> (internet) companies. And we want to start using the validation bit.
>>
>> Of
>>
>> course this is a draft, maybe we can participate in the discussion?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Obdam
>>
>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>
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