Attribute Exchange 2.0

John Bradley john.bradley at wingaa.com
Wed Sep 16 20:08:28 UTC 2009 

I am referring to the URI or referring to attributes.

For email there are:
http://axschema.org/contact/email
http://schema.openid.net/contact/email
http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/ws/2005/05/identity/claims/emailaddress

I have seen others used by OP's

schema.openid.net comes from http://openid.net/specs/openid-attribute-types-1_0-02.html
the draft you are referring to but there is no host for that DNS name.

So a prerequisite for defining attribute types like this would be to  
define the URI.

Some people want to use the openSocial schema, or EduPerson etc.

To make progress we need to get a WG chartered.

Yes Breno you can start nagging again:)

John B.

On 2009-09-16, at 2:29 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:

> John,
>
>> The work at axschema on attribute value verification was part of  
>> Sxip not covered under OIDF IPR.
>> I don't think there is a problem with it but I don't know that it  
>> was covered under Sxip's AX contribution to the OIDF.
>> Perhaps Dick can fill us in on any IPR issues around the existing  
>> work.
> Ok
>
>> At the moment we don't have URI for AX attributes never mind  
>> programatic validation of the values.
> What do you mean with URI for AX attributes?
>
>> This is partly related to the creation of a AX schema that we still  
>> need to get a WG started for.
>> I need to go back and work on the charter for that.
> Can I help with creating the charter?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Obdam
> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>
>>
>>
>> John B.
>> On 2009-09-16, at 8:58 AM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, you're correct, I started at the http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Attribute_Exchange_Extension_2_0 
>>>  wiki page. I got confused.
>>>
>>> Is there some kind of documentation on the previous discussions?
>>> The only thing I find missing at the moment is a description about  
>>> the validation types per type. And that's not really part of the  
>>> draft but more part of the axschema?
>>> But i'm not a experienced draft writer.. :-)
>>>
>>> /Chris
>>>
>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 14:47 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> OK. It is not quite 2.0, but a profile of AX. Still, we should do  
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> The OpenID process is not as lightweight as I hope, unfortunately.
>>>> It is kind of hard to kick start a WG here....
>>>>
>>>> That is the problem.
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to change.
>>>>
>>>> But, I suppose we should not be hang up on it and we should start  
>>>> discussing.
>>>>
>>>> =nat
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Chris Obdam  
>>>> <chris.obdam at holder.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Nat,
>>>>>
>>>>> This one:
>>>>> http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/attribute_exchange_validate/trunk/openid-attribute-exchange-validate-mode.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 13:59 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende  
>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Let us reopen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which draft do you mean, Chris?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =nat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris Obdam <chris.obdam at holder.nl 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Henrik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I, in a way, also represent a large OP from Holland. ±8  
>>>>>>> million users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We want to enable the RP to check the data. Based on that data  
>>>>>>> the RP
>>>>>>> doesn't have to do that much checking anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I declare the discussion hereby opened ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @henrik  Do you already use the AX 2 draft somewhere, maybe in  
>>>>>>> a test
>>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 11:53 heeft Henrik Biering het volgende  
>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>> I called a session about this at the last IIW in May this  
>>>>>>>> year, but id
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not attract much interest. The impression, that I got from  
>>>>>>>> this session
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> from other inputs is that the community in general wants to  
>>>>>>>> handle trust
>>>>>>>> issues completely out of band (federated approach) - with  
>>>>>>>> PAPE as a
>>>>>>>> partial
>>>>>>>> exception to the rule.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Representing an OpenID provider with focus on identity  
>>>>>>>> proofing coupled
>>>>>>>> with usercentricity and privacy (indeed a very tricky  
>>>>>>>> combination) I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be more than happy to have this discussion reopened - as we  
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>>> where generic out of band OP-RP trust is clearly not  
>>>>>>>> acceptable to
>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Henrik Biering
>>>>>>>> =henrik
>>>>>>>> @netamia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam skrev:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John, Allen,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answers. With validation I mean the  
>>>>>>>>> OpenID Attribute
>>>>>>>>> Exchange Validate Mode.
>>>>>>>>> In this spec there's a validation required per attribute.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "openid.ax.validation.email=http://example.org/validation/ 
>>>>>>>>>> token_via_email
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there already validation 'types', like  
>>>>>>>>> 'token_via_email', described
>>>>>>>>> in axschema (draft version?) or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>> The AXSchema Google Group doesn't seem to be very active  
>>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And of course: how can I help to start finalizing the  
>>>>>>>>> draft? :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Op 15 sep 2009, om 19:43 heeft John Bradley het volgende  
>>>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently the AX 2.0 work is stalled.  I don't know of any  
>>>>>>>>>> other list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sxip was driving it, but is no more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some people are using schema form axshema and others are  
>>>>>>>>>> using URI
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> openid.org in AX 1.0.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-09-15, at 12:07 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a different list for the discussion about  
>>>>>>>>>>> Attribute Exchange
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A have some question regards that draft:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> • What is the current state?
>>>>>>>>>>> • Is there a axschema draft for using this version,  
>>>>>>>>>>> especially the
>>>>>>>>>>> validation part.
>>>>>>>>>>> • We want to start validating in Holland with several large
>>>>>>>>>>> (internet) companies. And we want to start using the  
>>>>>>>>>>> validation bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>> course this is a draft, maybe we can participate in the  
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>>>>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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