Attribute Exchange 2.0

Wed Sep 16 19:28:36 UTC 2009

Dick,

That includes all of the schema work and AX 2.0 documents?

Who controls axschema.org now?

Thanks,

John B.
On 2009-09-16, at 2:36 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:

> All the AX contributions made by Sxip Identity are covered by the IPR
> agreement made by Sxip Identity.
>
> -- Dick
>
> On 2009-09-16, at 7:24 AM, John Bradley wrote:
>
>> The work at axschema on attribute value verification was part of
>> Sxip not covered under OIDF IPR.
>>
>> I don't think there is a problem with it but I don't know that it
>> was covered under Sxip's AX contribution to the OIDF.
>>
>> This is partly related to the creation of a AX schema that we still
>> need to get a WG started for.
>>
>> I need to go back and work on the charter for that.
>>
>> At the moment we don't have URI for AX attributes never mind
>> programatic validation of the values.
>>
>> Perhaps Dick can fill us in on any IPR issues around the existing
>> work.
>>
>> John B.
>> On 2009-09-16, at 8:58 AM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, you're correct, I started at the http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Attribute_Exchange_Extension_2_0
>>> wiki page. I got confused.
>>>
>>> Is there some kind of documentation on the previous discussions?
>>> The only thing I find missing at the moment is a description about
>>> the validation types per type. And that's not really part of the
>>> draft but more part of the axschema?
>>> But i'm not a experienced draft writer.. :-)
>>>
>>> /Chris
>>>
>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 14:47 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> OK. It is not quite 2.0, but a profile of AX. Still, we should do
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> The OpenID process is not as lightweight as I hope, unfortunately.
>>>> It is kind of hard to kick start a WG here....
>>>>
>>>> That is the problem.
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to change.
>>>>
>>>> But, I suppose we should not be hang up on it and we should start
>>>> discussing.
>>>>
>>>> =nat
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Chris Obdam
>>>> <chris.obdam at holder.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Nat,
>>>>>
>>>>> This one:
>>>>> http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/attribute_exchange_validate/trunk/openid-attribute-exchange-validate-mode.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 13:59 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende
>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Let us reopen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which draft do you mean, Chris?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =nat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris Obdam <chris.obdam at holder.nl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Henrik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I, in a way, also represent a large OP from Holland. ±8 million
>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We want to enable the RP to check the data. Based on that data
>>>>>>> the RP
>>>>>>> doesn't have to do that much checking anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I declare the discussion hereby opened ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @henrik  Do you already use the AX 2 draft somewhere, maybe in
>>>>>>> a test
>>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 11:53 heeft Henrik Biering het volgende
>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>> I called a session about this at the last IIW in May this
>>>>>>>> year, but id
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not attract much interest. The impression, that I got from
>>>>>>>> this session
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> from other inputs is that the community in general wants to
>>>>>>>> handle trust
>>>>>>>> issues completely out of band (federated approach) - with PAPE
>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>> partial
>>>>>>>> exception to the rule.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Representing an OpenID provider with focus on identity
>>>>>>>> proofing coupled
>>>>>>>> with usercentricity and privacy (indeed a very tricky
>>>>>>>> combination) I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be more than happy to have this discussion reopened - as we  
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>>> where generic out of band OP-RP trust is clearly not
>>>>>>>> acceptable to
>>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Henrik Biering
>>>>>>>> =henrik
>>>>>>>> @netamia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam skrev:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John, Allen,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answers. With validation I mean the OpenID
>>>>>>>>> Attribute
>>>>>>>>> Exchange Validate Mode.
>>>>>>>>> In this spec there's a validation required per attribute.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "openid.ax.validation.email=http://example.org/validation/
>>>>>>>>>> token_via_email
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there already validation 'types', like 'token_via_email',
>>>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>>>> in axschema (draft version?) or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>>> The AXSchema Google Group doesn't seem to be very active
>>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And of course: how can I help to start finalizing the
>>>>>>>>> draft? :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Op 15 sep 2009, om 19:43 heeft John Bradley het volgende
>>>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Currently the AX 2.0 work is stalled.  I don't know of any
>>>>>>>>>> other list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sxip was driving it, but is no more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some people are using schema form axshema and others are
>>>>>>>>>> using URI
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> openid.org in AX 1.0.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-09-15, at 12:07 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a different list for the discussion about
>>>>>>>>>>> Attribute Exchange
>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A have some question regards that draft:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> • What is the current state?
>>>>>>>>>>> • Is there a axschema draft for using this version,
>>>>>>>>>>> especially the
>>>>>>>>>>> validation part.
>>>>>>>>>>> • We want to start validating in Holland with several large
>>>>>>>>>>> (internet) companies. And we want to start using the
>>>>>>>>>>> validation bit.
>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>> course this is a draft, maybe we can participate in the
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>>>>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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