Separation of Discovery from AuthN (was Proposal to form Discovery Working Group)

[Breno de Medeiros]

Well, Eran published a draft of the full XRD discovery standard yesterday.
That changes things, because puts discovery on much more solid ground. The
biggest remaining issue to be addressed is on trust/security/signatures but
there is already substantial progress on that front as well, and we can
probably expect a similarly mature draft within a few weeks.

Based on these developments, should we consider a commitment to do the
OpenID discovery spec in time for 2.1? I think it is important to decide
this early on because it affects decisions about the structure of the AuthN
spec.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Breno de Medeiros <breno at google.com> wrote:

> Splitting the specification will also make it easier to understand the
> changes between Yadis-based and XRD-based discovery, since the authN
> part of the spec is unlikely to change as much.
>
> I am in favor of separating the two specifications and create a
> 2.0-compatible (with language clean-up) version of discovery.
>
> 2009/1/6 Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com>:
> > But I suppose it is worthwhile to make the spec clearler.
> > It can be clearer by decomposeing the notion of OP into Discovery Service
> > and Authentication Service than collectively calling it as "OP". That
> will
> > facilitate a better understanding of the strength and weakness of the
> > protocol as well.
> >
> > =nat
> >
> > 2009/1/6 Drummond Reed <drummond.reed at cordance.net>
> >>
> >> Agreed that it makes sense to split it out when the underlying work (XRD
> >> 1.0) is ready.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> =Drummond
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: David Recordon [mailto:drecordon at sixapart.com]
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:24 PM
> >> To: Drummond Reed
> >> Cc: sappenin at gmail.com; 'Nat Sakimura'; 'John Bradley';
> specs at openid.net
> >> Subject: Re: Separation of Discovery from AuthN (was Proposal to form
> >> Discovery Working Group)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd advocate for waiting until all of the discovery work occurring in
> >> OASIS, IETF, and W3C shakes out before we make changes to how OpenID
> >> discovery works.  I'd much rather make this sort of change once rather
> than
> >> twice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 4, 2009, at 11:14 PM, Drummond Reed wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm just catching up on holiday mail and wanted to add another +1 to
> >> separation of Discovery from AuthN. The sooner the better…
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> =Drummond
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: specs-bounces at openid.net [mailto:specs-bounces at openid.net] On
> Behalf
> >> Of David Fuelling
> >> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 8:47 AM
> >> To: Nat Sakimura
> >> Cc: John Bradley; specs at openid.net
> >> Subject: Re: Proposal to form Discovery Working Group
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Nat Sakimura <n-sakimura at nri.co.jp>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2. Separation of OP into Discovery Service and Authentication Service.
> >>  In the current terminology, OP spans both Discovery Service and
> >> Authentication Service.
> >>  We should be explicit about it.
> >>
> >> +1.  I would like to see discovery services separated from OP services
> >> too.
> >>
> >>
> >> John Bradley wrote:
> >> > Breno,
> >> >
> >> > I agree.  I recommended separating discovery into a separate doc for
> >> > 2.1.
> >> >
> >> > There didn't seem to be support for the idea at the time,  perhaps
> >> > circumstances have changed and the idea will be accepted now.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > John Bradley
> >> > =jbradley
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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