<div dir="ltr">Annabelle,<div>Thank you for this email. I'd like to clear up possible misunderstandings from your email about the current state of the SSE draft specification here.</div><div><ol><li style="margin-left:15px">Your email says "CAEP related work is starting to solidify". I'm not sure what you mean there, but please note that the working group has been meeting biweekly (sometimes weekly) to discuss <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/risc/src/caep-draft-01/openid-sse-profile-2_0.txt" target="_blank">the SSE draft </a>since May this year, and the WG conducted a <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1b-dk6qb9lJ7w56s2VxvD6_sqGpFCG05z?usp=sharing" target="_blank">virtual workshop</a> specifically to review this draft in June. Comments from WG members and iterations of the draft can be viewed in the "spec-draft/archived" folder of the <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EqDJaDzIXHkE59gGi-yLUhHPr-iTthz4?usp=sharing" target="_blank">shared drive</a>. Notes from the biweekly calls are <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZFwJJDwwSBNKX35VObClC1ctMbMMuHJtr5qY-7xsLW8/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">here</a>, and the June workshop notes are <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/13aBPTFAVLuwIaFzafKe4O-84ILSw95RjLHlj5Ej-l0Q/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">here</a>. The comments (closed and open) on the <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-GM2Ui4eUIDy-STF4ZzlVQgo55gR-tJ2?usp=sharing">archived files</a> are a good place to understand the discussion so far.</li><li style="margin-left:15px">I'd like to understand the level of interest you see in the current RISC draft spec from outside the working group, as a number of people in the WG have been actively participating in the development of this new draft. BTW the RISC draft also expired a couple of years ago, so I'm not sure what the level of interest is. Since the present draft represents a revision of the previous RISC draft, it's not clear what is to be achieved by creating the pull-requests.</li><li style="margin-left:15px">In your email you also say that we should "understand the more complicated changes". If you have any questions or concerns about the new draft, please bring them up urgently, as I believe we now have consensus within the WG on the draft. As far as I know there is no outstanding discussion on any aspect of the draft (except your email below).</li><li style="margin-left:15px">To clarify the point about "a lot of discussion has happened on the calls and face to face that hasn't made it to the list": All call notes are captured <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZFwJJDwwSBNKX35VObClC1ctMbMMuHJtr5qY-7xsLW8/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">here</a>, and the various workshop notes are also in the shared drive. We have shared these files periodically on the mailing list. I'm not sure what particular aspects you think are "not well documented"</li><li style="margin-left:15px">As to the point about "we haven't really established working group consensus": Can you please point to any discussion on the list or in the call notes or workshop notes where you think there's disagreement on important issues relating to the draft?</li><li style="margin-left:15px">Regarding your point about "Is SSE the right name?": This was determined when we re-formed the working group. Is there any new information that makes you believe this is not relevant or current anymore?</li></ol><div>It's great to see you being present in the working group now, I look forward to your active participation in this WG from here on forward.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Atul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 3:08 PM Richard Backman, Annabelle via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Now that the CAEP-related work in starting to solidify, I think it appropriate to merge changes into the existing RISC Profile document, in order to establish continuity between the current Implementer's Draft and what will hopefully soon be the
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<div>I have scanned through the diff between the two documents, and while there are a number of changes, I think they can be merged in pretty cleanly. Most of the changes are additive, and there is little to no drastic rewriting or reordering of sections,
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<li>Replace core Subject Identifier Type definition with reference to draft</li><li>Minor editorial corrections</li><li>Renaming (e.g., "RISC" to "SSE", or something else?)</li><li>New Subject Identifier Types</li><li>Stream Updated event</li><li>Small-scope normative changes, taken individually, e.g.,:
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</li><li>Everything related to SPAGs</li></ol>
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<div>This will let us clear through the simple changes quickly, and make it easier to understand the more complicated ones. This will also give us an opportunity to surface the more significant changes to the list. I think a lot of discussion as happened
on calls and face-to-faces (back when we could have those) that hasn't made it to the list, which means it isn't well documented and we haven't really established working group consensus.</div>
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<div>I think most of these will be non-controversial, but there are a few items that we may want to poke at. (e.g., is SSE the right name for this?)</div>
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