<div dir="ltr">Agreed!</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 1:57 PM Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">I realize that, but I’ll feel better about the level of review if the working group(s) are engaged while we complete the work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 6, 2020 1:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atul Tulshibagwale <<a href="mailto:atultulshi@google.com" target="_blank">atultulshi@google.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI, if the work does not happen in the SecEvent WG, it can still be standardized in the IETF with the ISE process:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 1:44 PM Atul Tulshibagwale via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it possible for me to create an updated version of the spec, given the voluminous nature of the changes? This corresponds to sections 4-6 of this SSE draft (still being reviewed in the WG and not ready for general commentary):<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">If you want to see the Subject Identifiers spec finish, please send a review of the spec to the
<a href="mailto:id-event@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event@ietf.org</a>. Both say what you like and what you’d like to see change. Please try to do it this week so that we’re not taking this down to the wire.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">Many of you should really want this work to finish, since RISC and I think CAEP have dependencies on it!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">BTW, some of you might be thinking “Why don’t we just do this in the SSE working group?” The problem is that the spec establishes an IANA registry,
which requires an RFC. So we have to do this work in the IETF.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">Please help make that happen!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Id-event <<a href="mailto:id-event-bounces@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event-bounces@ietf.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dick Hardt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 6, 2020 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atul Tulshibagwale <atultulshi=<a href="mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org" target="_blank">40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Bjorn Hjelm <<a href="mailto:bjorn.hjelm@verizonwireless.com" target="_blank">bjorn.hjelm@verizonwireless.com</a>>; Yaron Sheffer <<a href="mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:id-event@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event@ietf.org</a>; Richard Backman, Annabelle <richanna=<a href="mailto:40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org" target="_blank">40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With more people chiming in at this time, we have decided to check if there is renewed WG interest in subject-identifiers. To gauge the interest, we would like to see substantive
feedback on the latest draft[1] from numerous people in the next two weeks. The cutoff will be July 20, 18:00 PDT. If we do not see substantial feedback, we will close the WG and assist Annabelle in publishing with the ISE.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> [1] <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-05" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-subject-identifiers-05</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note this draft has expired, but still suits our purpose of gauging interest.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry folks. We decided that this draft does not have WG support back in August, because it clearly did not have such support. Yes there are obviously people who want to see it
published as an RFC. But not enough for any meaningful discussion during the WG last call (or even a positive response before the WGLC expired, we had exactly one). Nor any discussion since then. Nor a new draft version published since late July 2019.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let me remind the group that the IETF offers two alternatives for publication, either AD-sponsored or through the ISE.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, July 3, 2020 at 05:29<br>
<b>To: </b>"Richard Backman, Annabelle" <richanna=<a href="mailto:40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org" target="_blank">40amazon.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Yaron Sheffer <<a href="mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:id-event@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event@ietf.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:id-event@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event@ietf.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E] Re: [Id-event] Closing the SecEvent working group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d like to hear from the working group on whether or not there is interest in completing the Subject Identifiers draft within secevents. This work has more or less been put on
hiatus given the chairs’ previous decision not to continue with it within the working group, but it remains a dependency for other work, and a number of people within the working group have expressed interest and support for it previously. If there is support
within the working group for resuming and completing Subject Identifiers, then it would seem reasonable to me to do so within secevents.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Id-event <<a href="mailto:id-event-bounces@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event-bounces@ietf.org</a>> on behalf of Yaron Sheffer <<a href="mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:id-event@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event@ietf.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:id-event@ietf.org" target="_blank">id-event@ietf..org</a>><br>
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