<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Sorry I meant to say Yaron’s question - it was not originally Annabelle’s<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike responded on what was the basis for interop on JWT. I agreed with his interpretation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suggest re-posting this as a question on interop for delivery.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 12, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Phil Hunt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" class="">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">When I saw your question I assumed it was about SETs interop as we were discussing finalizing the SET draft. </span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Now your question makes more sense. <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suggest re-posing the question in the frame of management and delivery to get people to comment. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Phil</div><div class=""><br class="">On Feb 12, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Richard Backman, Annabelle <<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">richanna@amazon.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I said that the question of expected interoperability between SETs was brought up on the id-events mailing list. See below:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-2Darchive_web_id-2Devent_current_msg00963.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=who-RXL5EW5OBVeLvgAOC5vhKmbpUkkPNAT6K0EmveM&e=" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">this thread</a>, Yaron stated that there was no rough consensus on the single-event syntax issue; to drive the conversation forward, he raised three topics:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">- What is the value of a SET, in addition to its being "a kind of JWT". Specifically, let's assume a software architecture that consists of three layers: SET profile-specific library, generic SET processor, generic JWT library. What would be the functionality (or the added value) of the middle layer?<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">- What are the existing implementations that prevent change to the current spec, even changes as trivial as renaming "events" to "event"? Are there any production or near-production implementations in addition to the OIDC Back Channel Logout (which is arguably a trivial use of SET)? From an IETF process point of view, I'd like to point out that any I-D is completely open to changes until actual publication as an RFC, and certainly until it is delivered to the IESG.<br class=""><br class="">- What are our interoperability expectations? One of the participants mentioned that his company will only send single events and will "prefer" to receive single events. Can such an implementation be interoperable with all RFC compliant implementations? If we leave too much of the SET semantics for profiles to define, are we sacrificing interoperability?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Mike replied with his view on these topics, notably that the interoperability expectations for SET are the same as those for JWT, and “there is no expectation” of interoperability between unrelated SETs. I replied with my understanding, that some degree of interoperability is expected – specifically, that if SET is going to permit embedding events from different profiles within the same token, then any two arbitrary event types ought to be combinable. No one else commented at the time, and the thread became a discussion of Mike’s proposed changes to clarify the non-interoperability. You<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-2Darchive_web_id-2Devent_current_msg00971.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=m8d1gOZGb_Xoq5sgSCtkTgI-abOluKB0wRofCf5Tnkg&e=" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">commented</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that you were “ok with Mike’s new changes,” and said nothing about the questions raised by Yaron.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-2Darchive_web_id-2Devent_current_msg00981.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=HrqrkwSrsdcROkWIZAHkxV07ZkZUoEzCmlWiHRJQL7k&e=" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Later in the thread</a>, I raised the expected interoperability question again and asked for a consensus call on that question before accepting Mike’s revisions as -04 of the SET draft. Justin +1’d my concern and Mike argued against it, but no one else commented.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-2Darchive_web_id-2Devent_current_msg01017.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=siVxM_yrq2WkDXuLOEbMMLiT8WOaJG62SlPoUMv2E8k&e=" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">this thread</a>, I acknowledged that RISC the -05 draft can work for RISC, but noted that the resulting RISC spec will likely be incompatible with all other SET profiles. Marius agreed with both of those statements, and Luke and Adam +1’d that -05 will work for RISC.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">-- <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Annabelle Richard Backman<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Amazon – Identity Services<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-risc-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>> on behalf of Phil Hunt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Phil Hunt <<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, February 12, 2018 at 11:18 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Adam Dawes <<a href="mailto:adawes@google.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">adawes@google.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dick Hardt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Openid-specs-risc] RISC WG Meeting 2/12<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="_MailOriginalBody" class="">Thanks everyone.<o:p class=""></o:p></a></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Annabelle, can you provide the link where the issue was brought up in SECEVENTs? I’m not sure what exactly the question posed was to search for it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Certainly the SECEVENTs charter itself says the group is producing a control plane (aka management API) that likely would cover most of the items in Marius’s draft. There has been no formal call to change the charter in this respect.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="" class="">Phil<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="" class="">Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="" class="">@independentid<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""></span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.independentid.com&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=mRSNAWH-uHMazSN82i5HVTkRF7itXIZgMUanueRaMZk&e=" style="color: purple; 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Google collaborating directly with Amazon right now on draft to bring to the WG to be adopted. </span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Any two parties are free to modify the agreement as they would like. Google's plan is to not negotiate further after this initial draft is finalized.</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></li></ul><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Spec Feedback</span></u></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Phil had some concerns about the management API. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">AI: Phil to send specific points he wants to bring up to the list.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">"Verified" attribute for add/remove subject</span></b></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Verified attribute outside the subject identifier was previous agreement. This might not always work. If we have ID Token subject type along with others in the subject, it is not clear which claim verified pertains to.</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Let's have a more rigorous definition of what verified means. Can't come up with a definition that doesn't meet with how most providers have implemented- many may not exactly know the verification method or time. </span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Proposed definition: Service provider has verified an account if they have sent a message (email, SMS) to the user's address and the user has acknowledged the receipt from the service provider by replying back to the service provider by clicking a link or entering a code at the service provider.</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Questions: Does a marketing email with a click on a link work? Is a receipt where the recipient can dispute the transaction but doesn't do so an indication that the account is verified?</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">One or many streams</span></b></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Discussion about what should live in RISC and what should live in SecEvents.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Phil believes some items in Marius' drafts should live in SecEvents. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Commentary that this was brought up in SecEvents already by Annabelle and the group did not take it up. RISC trying to define something to meet our base cases. No objection if that later is taken to SecEvents but want to unblock now.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Future Meetings</span></b></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><br class="">Group agreed that we would have an additional meeting on Wednesday afternoon this week. Luke will schedule. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">At that meeting we will find a time for a meeting next week given Monday is a US holiday.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">After next week, we will move to a weekly meeting cadence on Mondays.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Luke Camery<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><</span></span><a href="mailto:lcamery@google.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">lcamery@google.com</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Dear All,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">The RISC working group will meet tomorrow at 09:30 PST.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Agenda</span></b></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">1. Recap of legal summit<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">2. Discussion of Marius' RISC Profile draft:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">- "verified" attribute for add/remove subject</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">- discovery URL, path before or after .well-known<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">- one or many streams<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">The call in details are below.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Luke<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white;" class=""><span class=""></span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_url-3Fq-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fglobal.gotomeeting.com-252Fjoin-252F576653581-26sa-3DD-26ust-3D1518415757211000-26usg-3DAFQjCNH7ZIi2zl7C0-2D32TKJtZ1qyaek8zQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=mlGR2GZ5OQO3mqBq8fZEtiQ3GFTWUgBt-jwBtVht8Hc&s=bDynMzt5wlRTJERUczT53c4STA5EmvIBx26WaeSmyAc&e=" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(66, 133, 244); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/576653581</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(33, 33, 33); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>You can also dial in using your phone. 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