<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>We are not connecting. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">One more try...</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">So yes amazon could ask but i am asking why amazon would need to override the consent the user already granted with the transmitter (eg idp). </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">You might ask as an rp if you can share events back to the idp. But again you are the issuer. So you issue events based on whether the user consented in your domain to share back to the idp. Again the idp doesn't need to control your rp issues event stream--at least from a privacy perspective. <br><br>Phil</div><div><br>On Feb 19, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Hardt, Dick <<a href="mailto:dick@amazon.com">dick@amazon.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The receiver could signal to the transmitter what the user wants. The transmitter could confirm and/or query what the user wants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Yes, the transmitter decides if events are transmitted, but one would also expect the transmitter to respect the user’s preferences.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Thanks. However, I think the subscribe proposal may be backwards. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">If <u>transmitter (aka publisher) </u>expects to let its users (whether rp or idp) control whether
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The per user subscription control requirement seems to be the prerogative of the transmitter (publisher) and not of the receiver. <br>
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The consent we've talked about is part of legal terms in the explicit dialog or of service provider TOS when users supply a foreign recovery email. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">When Adam was labeling the implicit and explicit RPs, I originally thought the implicit was the OAuth flow as there was an implicit subscription by the RP of RISC events.<br>
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