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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Using the example from
<a href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html#SectorIdentifierValidation">
http://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-registration-1_0.html#SectorIdentifierValidation</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The siu is
<a href="https://other.example.net/file_of_redirect_uris.json">https://other.example.net/file_of_redirect_uris.json</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And in the context of pairwise identifier algorithms the content of that file is irrelevant because what feeds into that
algorithm for all clients in that group is exactly “other.example.net” and nothing else.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> sector_identifier === “other.example.net”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">in https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html#PairwiseAlg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This value of sector_identifier does not change whether the Client uses Polling or Notification or needs a jwks or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think that these are separate topics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">CIBA demands a sector_identifier_uri to enable pairwise subs and I still don’t see why this topic is related to whether
the Client polls or uses notification or signed somethings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If the CIBA Client wants to be notified then it _<i>additionally</i>_ needs to specify a notification_endpoint_url at
registration time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If the CIBA Client wants to sign something then it _<i>additionally</i>_ needs to specify a jwks_url.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If CIBA would not have sector_identifier_uri being mandatory at registration time then CIBA would need to talk about _<i>default</i>_
values for sector_identifier_uri.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">// Axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Manger, James [mailto:James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 9. Juni 2017 02:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Nennker, Axel <Axel.Nennker@telekom.de>; ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com; openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] Issue 52 CIBA Pairwise Identifiers Structuring Text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">> My hope was that by making sector_identifier_uri mandatory we would get rid of all the special cases with jwks_uri and
whatnot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">> Isn’t that true?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">No.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">> So if someuses CIBA then there MUST be a siu at registration time and CIBA does not care how that is validated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">> Making my life too easy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Wishful thinking, Axel ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">An OP needs proof that an app is
<i>entitled</i> to use a sector_id before revealing the subs associated with that sector_id.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A new app merely quoting a sector_id in its registration is not proof. It shows the app wants that sector_id, but it doesn’t
show that the other apps using that sector_id want to share subs with this new app. It doesn’t prevent a malicious app quoting another group’s sector_id.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So the content at a sector_identifier_uri needs to identity each app that is entitled to use that sector_id (host part
of siu). It does so by listing a URI that each app needs to control to operate. For “normal” OIDC an app’s redirect_uri is sufficient; for CIBA with notifications an app’s client_notification_endpoint is sufficient; for CIBA with polling and asymmetric signatures
an app’s jwks_uri is sufficient; for other cases the tuple {iss, client_id} could work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hence CIBA needs to add that, at registration, the OP needs to confirm that siu lists client_notification_endpoint (to
enabling notifications) or jwks_uri (to enabling polling with asym sigs).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">James Manger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> John Bradley [<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 18:56<br>
<b>To:</b> Nennker, Axel <<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] Issue 52 CIBA Pairwise Identifiers Structuring Text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Validation of the sector identifier is part of registration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The client registers its client_notification_endpoint as a new element. (Shouldn't that be an array vs a single URI if the request allows notification_uri to be specified? otherwise why send it in the request?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The registration process needs to check those URI against the URI in the JSON file returned from the sector_identifier_uri.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I dont think registration is going to get updated anytime soon so it probably needs to be explained in this spec for those IDP that allow notifiction_uri to be specified.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All AS should always use the sector_identifier_uri as the key for generating ppid. Nothing in that changes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think for the polling we need to specify the client JWKS endpoint in the sector_identifier_uri as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is just a URI so that should not be an issue. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the registered jwks uri is not in the file then don’t allow polling. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know this precludes the use of symmetric keys but I think that may be a reasonable trade off if someone wants to use this with polling.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John B.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:38 AM, <<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>> <<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">can this issue be closed?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/issues/52/ciba-pairwise-identifiers-structuring-text"><span style="color:#954F72">https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/issues/52/ciba-pairwise-identifiers-structuring-text</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The sector_identifier_url is now mandatory to be specified at Client registration time.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Validation of the sector_identifier is out-of-scope for CIBA and should be in Discovery.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please comment on the issue in bitbucket or here.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kind regards</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Axel</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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