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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Hi Axel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">using the client credentials on any other than the token endpoint requires the authorization
server/OP to share this credentials among endpoints. This limits implementation/deployment options and we should have good reasons for doing so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Torsten.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> Openid-specs-mobile-profile
[mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile-bounces@lists.openid.net] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>
Nennker, Axel<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 23. November 2016 16:09<br>
<b>An:</b> nicolas.aillery@orange.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] Request Authorization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">The point I haven’t thought of up until now in your answer below is that the Client can obtain an access token using its
client credentials…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">This explains too why UQ distinguishes between access tokens which are related to the user and those which are not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">What is the advantage of the client-credentials-based access token compared to using the client credentials in the UQ request?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">This is a server to server connection so it should be reasonable secure to just use the client credentials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">If there are no compelling advantages I suggest to just requiring that the UQ request is authorized without restricting
AZ and Client to Access Tokens. But spelling the two variants out in the specification might help implementers.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">What do you think?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">
<a href="mailto:nicolas.aillery@orange.com">nicolas.aillery@orange.com</a> [<a href="mailto:nicolas.aillery@orange.com">mailto:nicolas.aillery@orange.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nennker, Axel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com">gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>; MARAIS Charles IMT/OLPS; VASSELET Mickaël IMT/OLN; CLEMENT Philippe IMT TECHNO<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Request Authorization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR">Hello Axel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR"> Here are my responses,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR">Nicolas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a> [<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 23 novembre 2016 12:24<br>
<b>À :</b> AILLERY Nicolas IMT/OLPS; <a href="mailto:gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com">
gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com</a><br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Request Authorization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">UQ and CIBA differ on how the request is authorized.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">CIBA Section 4.2 refers to OpenID.Core section 9 for authorization:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href="https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html#ClientAuthentication">https://openid.net/specs/openid-connect-core-1_0.html#ClientAuthentication</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href="https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?Submit=Submit&format=ascii&mode=html&type=ascii&url=https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/raw/tip/draft-mobile-client-initiated-backchannel-authentication-01.xml?at=default#rfc.section.4.2">https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?Submit=Submit&format=ascii&mode=html&type=ascii&url=https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/raw/tip/draft-mobile-client-initiated-backchannel-authentication-01.xml?at=default#rfc.section.4.2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">UQ relies on Access Tokens without specifying how they are optained:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href="https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?Submit=Submit&format=ascii&mode=html&type=ascii&url=https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/raw/tip/draft-user-questioning-api.xml#rfc.section.4.1.2.1">https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?Submit=Submit&format=ascii&mode=html&type=ascii&url=https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/raw/tip/draft-user-questioning-api.xml#rfc.section.4.1.2.1</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">UQ has to send the user at least once per the usual redirect dance to the AZ to obtain an access token for the AZ’s UQ
endpoint, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] UQ is an OAuth protected API (i.e. an Oauth Resource server). To use UQ, the Client must have a valid access_token obtained
either by an OAuth AS or an OIDC AS. On the other hand, CIBA is an API that enables to get an access_token.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">In prose: Dear user, do you allow Client to ask you questions in the future? Yes, No<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] For UQ, the access_token can have been obtained thanks to a Oauth Client Credential flow, with no user interaction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">For that we would not need a new protocol, right? So the better question is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Dear user, do you allow Client to spontaneously ask you questions in the future on your authentication device/mobile phone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">In this generality user will most likely decline, I guess.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Going through the UQ use cases
<a href="https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?Submit=Submit&format=ascii&mode=html&type=ascii&url=https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/raw/tip/draft-user-questioning-api.xml#rfc.section.1.5">
https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi?Submit=Submit&format=ascii&mode=html&type=ascii&url=https://bitbucket.org/openid/mobile/raw/tip/draft-user-questioning-api.xml#rfc.section.1.5</a> the access token consent questions would be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Do you want Bank to get your consent when you buy something somewhere?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Do you want Bank to get your consent to add payees to your account?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Do you allow Food-Market to get your consent when an order needs to be changed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Do you allow Ticketshop to get your confirmation when you seem to buy tickets?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">5)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Do you allow Airline to make sure you are aware of flight changes?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">6)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Do you allow SurveyCompany to ask you questions on brands and products?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">The Client has an Access Token that allows it to use the UQ endpoint to actually ask the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">My question regarding UQ: Why is the spec silent on where the question is asked? Should there be something like a questioning
device?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] I don’t get your point. If the user is prompted to consent the usage of the UQ API (i.e. scope=question) by a Client.
The consent is a generic consent with no information on the future AMR that could be used. Once again, the user consent is not mandatory (e.g. Client Cred Flow).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">My question regarding CIBA: Is OpenID.Core section 9 the right way for CIBA or should CIBA use Access Tokens as well or
should CIBA just say the request needs to be authorized and whether this uses Client Credentials or Access Tokens is between Client and AZ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] In my understanding, CIBA is an API of the OIDC AS. CIBA delivers the id_token and optionaly the access_token.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:nicolas.aillery@orange.com">nicolas.aillery@orange.com</a> [<a href="mailto:nicolas.aillery@orange.com">mailto:nicolas.aillery@orange.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 22, 2016 6:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nennker, Axel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>; Lodderstedt, Torsten; MARAIS Charles IMT/OLPS; CLEMENT Philippe IMT TECHNO; VASSELET Mickaël IMT/OLN<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: User Questioning RE: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR">Hello Axel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> Thank you for your review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> Please find my comments in your remarks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Nicolas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a> [<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 17 novembre 2016 13:25<br>
<b>À :</b> AILLERY Nicolas IMT/OLPS; MARAIS Charles IMT/OLPS<br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de">Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de</a>;
<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> User Questioning RE: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Hi Nicolas, hi Charles,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I reviewed the UQ draft and here are my first remarks:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Please consider whether the word “FORBIDDEN” can be replaced by “MUST NOT”<br>
e.g. in 4.1.1 I suggest to reverse the order and rephrase to avoid FORBIDDEN:<br>
“MANDATORY if the Access Token is not tied with an End-User. MUST NOT be present if the Access Token is tied with an End-User,”<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] OK, draft modified</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regarding 4.1.1 User Questioning Request<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">“AUTHORIZATION” the paragraph seems to exclude the possibility to use client_id/client_secret and BASIC auth, right? Or does
use of client_id/client_secret constitute the case “not tied to the user” while an access token constitutes the case “tied to the user”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] UQ API is defined as an OAuth 2.0 API, requiring an access_token. Client_id/client_secret or HTTP Basic Auth
are excluded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">user_id “tied to the user” should be explained. I suggest adding text to the paragraph about “AUTHORIZATION” and the access
token.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] OK, draft modified (4.1.2.1)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">user_id versus sub<br>
Why not use sub always instead of user_id? “sub” has the advantage that it is not widely known because it was assigned by the OP to the user for this Client. “sub” is never reassigned while a user_id might not be eternally assigned to the user. Yes, User_id_type
can be sub but sub is harder to misuse by a rogue Client.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">4.1.2.2 says “user_id as a reachability means”: Should the OP be free to decide how to contact the user on which device? Or
does the Client decide on that by requesting a certain channel/device to be used?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I suggest to add “sub” as MANDATORY to the UQ request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] ‘sub’ is an option, but other types (e.g MSISDN) must be allowed for RP that don’t use (or don’t known) the
sub. The OP must find a mean to reach the user. If the user_id is a reachability identifier, it should be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">“wished_acr” Why not use “acr_values” from OpenID.Core?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] there is more semantic in ‘wished’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">“wished_amr” like acr_values?: amr_values?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] there is more semantic in ‘wished’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">“wished_*” is the order of the values important? There is no text regarding the order.<span style="color:red">
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] OK, draft modified (order SHOULD be considered by OP)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regarding 4.1.2.2 Processing user_id<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I would not conflate user_id as sub and user_id as reachability means!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] a user_id is just a user identifier. It can be of different types. Some types can be directly used to reach
the user (e.g. MSISDN), other cannot (e.g. sub). The way the user is reach is up to the OP. The user_id is a mean for the RP to designate the User. If the access_token is associated with a user, the user_id is useless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:114.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<pre style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:114.0pt;text-indent:-42.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo8"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Wondering about the wording here:<br>“If the user_id is present in both the User Questioning Request and the Access Token, an error is raised.”<br>If the access token is “SlAV32hkKG” does this cover the “present in” wording?<br>How about: “If the user_id is present but the Access Token is bound to a user then the user_id and the sub associated with the Access Token MUST be identical”. (Not replacing user_id by sub in this for now. I think the parameter “user_id” should be replaced by “sub” and a reachability parameter)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] If the identifiers are identical, one is useless. The spec states that the Client has to choose to identify
the user thanks to either the AT or the user_id, but not both. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regarding 4.1.3 Successful Response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I am not sure whether transporting the polling URL in the Location header.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] OK, draft modified (JSON is used)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">I am not sure whether the polling location should be dynamic.<br>
Being dynamic has advantages because it can be dynamic based on client and/or question and/or server load etc…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Being dynamic has the disadvantage that the Client has to decide at polling time whether some policy might forbid it to talk
to the polling endpoint.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] It a pending discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">The example does not contain a JSON structure! Should this read like this:<br>HTTP/1.1 200 OK<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="draft-user-questioning-api.xml-750"></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">{ “Location”: “<a href="https://server.example.com/questions_polling/984dcc7d3d4d4b0f9f8022e344f9">https://server.example.com/questions_polling/984dcc7d3d4d4b0f9f8022e344f9</a>”,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="draft-user-questioning-api.xml-751"></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> “Question_id”: “984dcc7d3d4d4b0f9f8022e344f9”<br>
}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regarding 4.1.4 Error Response:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Why is this different to OAuth2 Section 5.2 Error Response?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#page-45">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6749#page-45</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] It detailed in §5 that uses the same structure as OAuth. The way the structure (error_info) is transmitted
depends on the endpoint (400 or POST)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regarding 4.3.2 Error Response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Like 4.1.4 make this look more like OAuth2 Section 5.2 Error Response?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] It detailed in §5 that uses the same structure as OAuth. The way the structure (error_info) is transmitted
depends on the endpoint (400 or POST)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regarding 6.1 Implementation of questioning methods<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Change headline to headline style (Capitalized Words)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] I did not understand the comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Add supported AMR and ACR etc to discovery.<br>
“To prevent these errors, it can inform the Clients of its limitation and limit the possible questions or statements.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] OK, draft modified (amr_list, acr_list)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[NAY] Would you add ‘displayed_question_length’, ‘displayed_statement_length’, ‘displayed_statement_number’ in discovery
?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Have to go now – So stopped reviewing for now before section 7 Security Considerations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="mso-outline-level:1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">From: Openid-specs-mobile-profile [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile-bounces@lists.openid.net">mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com">philippe.clement@orange.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:07 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">To: Lodderstedt, Torsten;
<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Subject: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Please find below the preliminary notes of the call.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Should you detect any error or misunderstanding, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Participants : John, Axel, Bjorn, Charles, Torsten, Joerg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Agenda :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Review UQ specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Review SIBA specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Next workshop<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Discussion :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">User Questionning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">A new draft has been released by Orange, following questions/remarks from Torsten<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Axel and Bjorn volunteer to review the UQ draft specs.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Torsten to send a reminder to the list for reviewing, before entering the implementers draft process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">A proposal is made for OIF to present a status update of UQ work at the next PET GSMA meeting (end of November). Orange will help
to draft this presentation. PET chairman to be contacted for insertion into the agenda.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">SIBA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Questions about the context parameter that shows up in the specs. Discussions in Paris had only stated a use for the binding message
to interlock devices. Recommendation from the call is to remove this parameter. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Charles volunteers to post comments on SIBA specs, other comments are awaited from the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Mentionning the Use Cases in SIBA specs is requested to understand some choices in the specs, and will avoid any duplication with
User Questionning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Idea of merging some parts of SIBA and UQ are set on the table, but draft specs should be more mature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Next workshop<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">For information, John should be in London January 18 and 19th, to take into consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">AOB: push style<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Discussion occurs on OAuth list regarding push style for the device flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Some arguments are presented to balance push vs pull approach, for UQ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Complexity for the RP to implement 2 solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Resource optimization from an OP side<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Number of requests per second<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">• Delay for the user to answer the question (seconds, minutes ?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Discussion to be continued on the list through the specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Philippe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-ansi-language:FR">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="FR" style="mso-ansi-language:FR">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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