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Hi Philippe,<br>
<br>
re peer review: Yes, I have specific features in mind:<br>
- error/status indication in response<br>
- response parameters (header vs body)<br>
- dynamic vs. static endpoints for polling<br>
<br>
I already wrote an e-Mail to the authors and described my concerns.<br>
<br>
best regard,<br>
Torsten. <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.11.2016 um 23:01 schrieb
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi
Torsten,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">“Peer review”</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">: Will add this to the minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">However, we only had on this call attendance
from UQ people, so we only noticed a commitment from orange
to have a review on SIBA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">“Currently these specs solve the same problem
differently”</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">: I’m not sure, because we only have Use Cases
from UQ and comparing is more than difficult. On the other
hand, we stated clearly in Paris the perimeter of User
Questionning, different of server side authentication. But
maybe you have in mind a specific feature in the 2 specs ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">“Send a note to the OpenId Connect list”:
</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">will add this to the minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">“Ask this WG to review UQ”:</span></u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> already mentioned in the minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">“we agreed I would ask Gautam whether we
would give a presentation on our joined work”<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">Correct. Will update the minutes. Due to the
fact that putting an item in the agenda is in the hand of
PET chairman, will propose in a subsequent mail to ask to
the PET chairman to insert this item in the agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">Philippe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de">Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de">mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de</a>]
<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 18 novembre 2016 12:06<br>
<b>À :</b> CLEMENT Philippe IMT TECHNO<br>
<b>Cc :</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> AW: minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th
2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="DE">Hi Philippe,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">I proposed the authors of SIBA and UQ should
conduct a peer review of the respective other spec in order
to align on use of certain patterns. Currently these specs
solve the same problem differently. I promised to get in
contact with the authors. The call attendees agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">We also agreed to send a note to the OpenId
Connect list and ask this WG to review UQ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Re PET meeting: we agreed I would ask Gautam
whether we would give a presentation on our joined work. I
cannot remember we mentioned the PET chairman.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Torsten.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm 4.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="DE">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com">philippe.clement@orange.com</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com">mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 17. November 2016 02:07<br>
<b>An:</b> Lodderstedt, Torsten; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th
2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Please find below the preliminary notes of the
call.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Should you detect any error or
misunderstanding, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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name="BM_BEGIN"></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Participants</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> : John, Axel, Bjorn, Charles, Torsten, Joerg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Agenda :</span></u><span
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lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="DE"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Review UQ specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
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"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Review SIBA specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Next workshop<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Discussion :</span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">User Questionning</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">A new draft has been released by Orange,
following questions/remarks from Torsten</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Axel and Bjorn volunteer to review the UQ
draft specs.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Torsten to send a reminder to the list for
reviewing, before entering the implementers draft
process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">A proposal is made for OIF to present a status
update of UQ work at the next PET GSMA meeting (end of
November). Orange will help to draft this presentation.
PET chairman to be contacted for insertion into the
agenda. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">SIBA</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Questions about the context parameter that
shows up in the specs. Discussions in Paris had only
stated a use for the binding message to interlock
devices. Recommendation from the call is to remove this
parameter. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Charles volunteers to post comments on SIBA
specs, other comments are awaited from the list.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Mentionning the Use Cases in SIBA specs is
requested to understand some choices in the specs, and
will avoid any duplication with User Questionning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Idea of merging some parts of SIBA and UQ are
set on the table, but draft specs should be more mature.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Next workshop</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">For information, John should be in London
January 18 and 19</span><sup><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">th</span></sup><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">, to take into consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">AOB: push style</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Discussion occurs on OAuth list regarding push
style for the device flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Some arguments are presented to balance push
vs pull approach, for UQ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="DE"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Complexity for the RP to implement 2 solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="DE"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Resource optimization from an OP side<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="DE"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Number of requests per second<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol" lang="DE"><span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Delay for the user to answer the question
(seconds, minutes ?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Discussion to be continued on the list through
the specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Philippe</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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