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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Torsten,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“Peer review”</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">: Will add this to the minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">However, we only had on this call attendance from UQ people, so we only noticed a commitment from orange to have a review on SIBA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“Currently these specs solve the same problem differently”</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">:
I’m not sure, because we only have Use Cases from UQ and comparing is more than difficult. On the other hand, we stated clearly in Paris the perimeter of User Questionning, different of server side authentication. But maybe you have in mind a specific feature
in the 2 specs ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“Send a note to the OpenId Connect list”:
</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">will add this to the minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“Ask this WG to review UQ”:</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> already mentioned
in the minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“we agreed I would ask Gautam whether we would give a presentation on our joined work”<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Correct. Will update the minutes. Due to the fact that putting an item in the agenda is in the hand of PET chairman, will propose in a subsequent
mail to ask to the PET chairman to insert this item in the agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Philippe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de [mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 18 novembre 2016 12:06<br>
<b>À :</b> CLEMENT Philippe IMT TECHNO<br>
<b>Cc :</b> openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Objet :</b> AW: minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Philippe,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I proposed the authors of SIBA and UQ should conduct a peer review of the respective other spec in order to align on use of certain patterns. Currently
these specs solve the same problem differently. I promised to get in contact with the authors. The call attendees agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We also agreed to send a note to the OpenId Connect list and ask this WG to review UQ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Re PET meeting: we agreed I would ask Gautam whether we would give a presentation on our joined work. I cannot remember we mentioned the PET chairman.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Torsten.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com">philippe.clement@orange.com</a> [<a href="mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com">mailto:philippe.clement@orange.com</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 17. November 2016 02:07<br>
<b>An:</b> Lodderstedt, Torsten; <a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">
openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> minutes of MODRNA WG Call Nov 16th 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Please find below the preliminary notes of the call.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should you detect any error or misunderstanding, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Participants</span></u><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> : John, Axel, Bjorn, Charles, Torsten, Joerg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Agenda :</span></u><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Review UQ specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Review SIBA specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Next workshop<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Discussion :</span></u><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">A new draft has been released by Orange, following questions/remarks from Torsten</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Axel and Bjorn volunteer to review the UQ draft specs.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Torsten to send a reminder to the list for reviewing, before entering the implementers draft process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A proposal is made for OIF to present a status update of UQ work at the next PET GSMA meeting (end of November). Orange will help to draft this presentation. PET
chairman to be contacted for insertion into the agenda. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">SIBA</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Questions about the context parameter that shows up in the specs. Discussions in Paris had only stated a use for the binding message to interlock devices. Recommendation
from the call is to remove this parameter. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Charles volunteers to post comments on SIBA specs, other comments are awaited from the list.</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mentionning the Use Cases in SIBA specs is requested to understand some choices in the specs, and will avoid any duplication with User Questionning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Idea of merging some parts of SIBA and UQ are set on the table, but draft specs should be more mature.</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Next workshop</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For information, John should be in London January 18 and 19</span><sup><span lang="DE" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">th</span></sup><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">AOB: push style</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Discussion occurs on OAuth list regarding push style for the device flow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Some arguments are presented to balance push vs pull approach, for UQ.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Complexity for the RP to implement 2 solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Resource optimization from an OP side<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Number of requests per second<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Delay for the user to answer the question (seconds, minutes ?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Discussion to be continued on the list through the specs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Philippe</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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