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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Gonzalo,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">it seems to me the semantics of login_hint is not sufficiently enough specified in the core spec. That’s why I asked John for advice. I would recommend
we reach out to the OpenID Connect WG and ask for clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regarding sub/enc login hint: the OpenID Connect core specification neither supports sub nor encrypted login hints. If there is a need to define
a respective extension, we should do so. We already had discussions regarding the encrypted login hint and came up with the idea of a new parameter carrying a JWT containing the MSISDN (or whatever is needed) to the OP. That could be a sub as well. Based on
a discussion w/ Vodafone we had in the context of the German Trial last week, we (DT&VF) see the need for sub as hint as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Torsten.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Openid-specs-mobile-profile [mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile-bounces@lists.openid.net]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>GONZALO FERNANDEZ RODRIGUEZ<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 27. April 2015 10:19<br>
<b>An:</b> GONZALO FERNANDEZ RODRIGUEZ; Torsten Lodderstedt; John Bradley<br>
<b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] login_hint behaviour<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Even worse,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If the Bank (Service Provider) sends an MSISDN or an encrypted MSISDN (the first time) as login_hint and the OIDC provider prompts the user to enter an MSISDN
and he introduces another one, the Service Provider will receive a "sub" that not correspond with the MSISDN that it has.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Gonza.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">De:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Gonzalo Fernandez Rodriguez <<a href="mailto:gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com">gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com</a>><br>
<b>Fecha: </b>lunes 27 de abril de 2015 09:57<br>
<b>Para: </b>Torsten Lodderstedt <<a href="mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net">torsten@lodderstedt.net</a>>, John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>><br>
<b>CC: </b>"<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Asunto: </b>Re: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] login_hint behaviour<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks a lot for your responses, I still have a doubt…., please consider next use case:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The "sub" value is supported as login_hint (is something that we were talking last week with Matthieu from Orange).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A Service Provider use Mobile Connect as a 2nd factor authentication. The Service Provider already know who the user is, probably he/she has been authenticated using another credentials, (banks
use case). It sends the login_hint of the user to re-authenticate him to authorize a transaction for example.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The OIDC provider is not able to realize who the user is (it doens't support this kind of login_hint, or another reason)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If the OIDC prompts the user to enter the MSISDN and he introduces one that is different from the expected with the login_hint provided in the authentication
request, the Service Provider will receive a "sub" different from the expected. Could this use case be possible?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Gonza.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">De:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Torsten Lodderstedt <<a href="mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net">torsten@lodderstedt.net</a>><br>
<b>Fecha: </b>sábado 25 de abril de 2015 18:09<br>
<b>Para: </b>John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>><br>
<b>CC: </b>Gonzalo Fernandez Rodriguez <<a href="mailto:gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com">gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>"
<<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Asunto: </b>Re: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] login_hint behaviour<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">So far and in contrast to id token hint, I interpreted the login hint as "nice to have but not a strong requirement". The semantics
you describe is much stronger. I was unable to find a text in the spec describing the use case we are discussing. Can you refer to some text?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Am 25. April 2015 16:13:07 MESZ, schrieb John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>>:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sending an error that authentication is needed. The client needs to retry without prompt=none so the user can sort it out at the AS. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Clients sending users off to reauth need to be able to deal with the case of a different user coming back. <br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:47 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt <<a href="mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net">torsten@lodderstedt.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">what behavior would you expect if the user id in the login hint conflicts with the user id of the existing session and prompt != none?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Torsten.<br>
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Am 24.04.2015 um 23:58 schrieb John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The exception would be in the prompt=none case where you can’t display a UI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If the login hint or id_token hint is for a different account than the one with the current session you would need to return a error that authentication is required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt <<a href="mailto:torsten@lodderstedt.net">torsten@lodderstedt.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I would suggest to ignore invalid login_hint values and prompt the user again. As the parameter name suggests, it is just a hint.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Am 22.04.2015 um 13:38 schrieb GONZALO FERNANDEZ RODRIGUEZ:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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authentication request. Anyone of you can help us in this topic?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If the MNO is not able to resolve who is the user which the login_hint refers to, what should it do? Return an error or prompt the user to introduce its MSISDN?.
In case of asking the user for its MSISDN it could happen that the MSISDN is not the same as the one referred by the login_hint (from the Service Provider side).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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