<div dir="ltr">(Wow, Serpico... Adrian does totally look like him.)<div><br></div><div>This thread took place mostly during my vacation, and I'm finally digging down to the bottom of the unread emails after the latest spate of travels, so please forgive the unearthing of the old thread. I just wanted to point people to relevant term definitions appearing in our first use case regarding tethering, to perhaps come full circle on this:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IvbdWerdvMuA1dQ-KQvVKqIBrAas7FoenNVUtgpqYrw/edit?usp=sharing">HEART Use Case: Alice Registers with PCP and Sets Up Two-Way Exchange of Personal Data Between EHR and PHR [OAuth Only]</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Under the <b>Ecosystem parties</b> section:</div><div><ul><li>Primary care provider (PCP): a health care professional who will see Alice on a regular basis for common medical concerns; end user of an electronic health record (EHR) system, an enterprise Internet-facing information system that tracks many patients’ medical information, and has a patient-facing portal. This document uses “portal” exclusively to refer to a “tethered” type of PHR to avoid confusion.<br></li><li></li><li>Personal health record (PHR) system operator: a provider of a PHR system, a private Internet-facing information system that tracks Alice’s medical information for her where Alice is the end user with authority over her data, and where the PHR system operator supports many such end users. This document uses “PHR” exclusively to refer to a “patient-controlled” or “untethered” type of PHR to avoid confusion.<br></li></ul>The very nature of OAuth technology is to enable the "joining together" of an API and a client application, e.g., for the automatic exchange of data as authorized by someone who controls access rights to that API. One might be tempted to say "tether", but at that point in our use case development, we agreed not to.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">
<p><b>Eve Maler<br></b>ForgeRock Office of the CTO | VP Innovation & Emerging Technology<br>Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl<br>Join our <a href="http://forgerock.org/openuma/" target="_blank">ForgeRock.org OpenUMA</a> community!</p></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Ileana Balcu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ibalcu@dulcian.com" target="_blank">ibalcu@dulcian.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I had to google Serpico…. And Adrian even looks like Serpico!
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I hope his vision comes to fruition in my lifetime too, so that patients and their health can finally be at the center.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Ileana<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Ileana Balcu<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%28732%29%20744%201116%20x%20103" value="+17327441116" target="_blank">(732) 744 1116 x 103</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Openid-specs-heart [mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-specs-heart-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-heart-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Seib<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Adrian Gropper' <<a href="mailto:agropper@healthurl.com" target="_blank">agropper@healthurl.com</a>>; 'Glen Marshall [SRS]' <<a href="mailto:gfm@securityrs.com" target="_blank">gfm@securityrs.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-heart] EHR, PHR, FHIR resources.<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1511b32611ac1ba2__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Serpico, Serpico, Serpico.
</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I hope your vision comes to fruition in my lifetime so you can prove everyone else wrong.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Aaron Seib<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.nate-trust.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NATE</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">, CEO<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">@CaptBlueButton<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">(o) <a href="tel:301-540-2311" value="+13015402311" target="_blank">301-540-2311</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">(m) <a href="tel:301-326-6843" value="+13013266843" target="_blank">301-326-6843</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:agropper@gmail.com" target="_blank">agropper@gmail.com</a> [<a href="mailto:agropper@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:agropper@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Gropper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Glen Marshall [SRS]<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Aaron Seib; <a href="mailto:openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-heart] EHR, PHR, FHIR resources.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The BLT (Business / Legal / Technical) discussion that is implied in this thread depends on your perspective. EHRs and PHRs are an invention of institutions that see patients as a source of revenue and their
information technology as a Materials Resource Planning (MRP) function designed to efficiently and profitably schedule what the patients, clinicians, and staff do. That the EHR systems help with billing and regulatory issues is a bonus. The interoperability
aspect of the EHR is all about MRP as well. The PHR (tethered or not) is, from the institutional perspective, just another kind of interoperability and needs to be managed for efficiency and profit.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">From the patient perspective, the EHR / PHR model is, IMHO, a disaster. It introduces barriers to second opinions and access to innovative services, makes outcomes measures procedural and institutional instead
of personal, supports secret contracts between provider institutions and payers, and makes us doubt whether our doctor is working for us or for "them".<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">HEART does not need to take sides in the institutional vs. patient-centered information technology struggle. We can hope that HEART supports the patient-centered model as much as it does the institution-centered
model. This is not a philosophical distinction. Our standards and profiling decisions will determine whether an institution can block access to your personal data by other people, systems, or apps that the institution decides are "insecure" or "unsafe".<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What is "insecure" or "unsafe" is debatable. What is data about me and only me is clear, as is my right to a convenient and effective connected FHIR copy of my own data. The way for HEART profiles to serve both the patient and institutional
perspectives is to:<u></u><u></u></p>
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allow for the institutions to put up "black box" warnings if they disagree with our choice of people, systems, or apps, and<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
allow the patient or their agent to connect anyway after they have seen the "black box" warning.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">The HEART profiles will support this by providing for: <u></u>
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unrestricted patient-specified Authorization Servers, <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Dynamic Registration of connected systems, and<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
ways for the FHIR interface to bypass information delays (allowed by HIPAA) when the patient has delegated access to a licensed clinician or a physician says the delays are not appropriate, and<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
strong "safe harbor" protections for the institutions when they release the FHIR interface under this "patient's right of access".<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<p>This is the minimum for enabling HEART to support both patient and institutional perspectives and it's the essential enabler for the next generation of practice and payment reform.
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<p>Adrian<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Glen Marshall [SRS] <<a href="mailto:gfm@securityrs.com" target="_blank">gfm@securityrs.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Aaron,<br>
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Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was systems that were tied to one another, not the patient being tethered.
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At latest count I have 7 "tethered" patient portal accounts, none of which communicate with each other nor with my PHR account. Quest is a happy exception.<br>
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Glen<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b>Glen F. Marshall</b><br>
Consultant<br>
Security Risk Solutions, Inc.<br>
698 Fishermans Bend<br>
Mount Pleasant, SC 29464<br>
Tel: <a href="tel:%28610%29%20644-2452" target="_blank">(610) 644-2452</a><br>
Mobile: <a href="tel:%28610%29%20613-3084" target="_blank">(610) 613-3084</a><br>
<a href="mailto:gfm@securityrs.com" target="_blank">gfm@securityrs.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.SecurityRiskSolutions.com" target="_blank">www.SecurityRiskSolutions.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/17/15 21:15, Aaron Seib wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1511b32611ac1ba2_151189ba2a336a9f__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Glen – I like your definition but in the domain of Consumer
Facing Applications that includes both tethered and untethered PHRs and other apps controlled by the consumer we use the term tethered in a much more narrow way.</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A tethered PHR is what is typically encountered as a Patient Portal of an EMR. The only data that
is viewable via such a portal is what is created within the EMR and made viewable to the consumers’ accounts. MicroSoft HealthVault on the other hand is not “tethered” to a single source of data but is untethered and may receive data from multiple data providers
including for example data from the different EMRs used by your Doctors, the several labs and yes – even the Patient Generated Health Data entered by you.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Like most things in the sphere of language the usage changes the meaning but I have found constraining
the use of tethered to mean a portal that is a view into a single enterprises view very useful from a policy discussion perspective.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Essentially if you offer your patients a portal that is a Tethered PHR and the operator of that Tethered
PHR signs a BAA with you then the system should be treated as you would any HIPAA covered system.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">An untethered Portal, where the consumer has control over what data is added (via different modes of
exchange) is not a HIPAA covered system but falls under the regulatory requirements of the FTC.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The distinction is often important.
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">As time goes by we are seeing these lines blur but at least for now they are useful in my little slice
of the world. In your example below I would say that Quest is sharing your Lab results by one of the modes of exchange supported by MSHV – guessing Direct?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Aaron Seib</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.nate-trust.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NATE</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">,
CEO</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">@CaptBlueButton</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">(o)
<a href="tel:301-540-2311" target="_blank">301-540-2311</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">(m)
<a href="tel:301-326-6843" target="_blank">301-326-6843</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Openid-specs-heart [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-heart-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-heart-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Glen Marshall [SRS]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 17, 2015 7:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-heart] EHR, PHR, FHIR resources.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dale,<br>
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A personal example may suffice...<br>
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I have a Microsoft Health Vault account. It is my PHR. It includes data that I have entered and maintain, e.g., current demographics, medications, allergies, health events, visits, etc. It also automatically obtains lab results from Quest Diagnostics, which
is "tethered" to it. I am hoping that my personal physician's EHR will soon be able to be tethered so I don't have to keep manual track of it. In lieu of automatic tethering, though, I can import data from patient portals to my regular family doctor, my
urologist, radiological images, blood glucose meter, etc.<br>
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Glen<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b>Glen F. Marshall</b><br>
Consultant<br>
Security Risk Solutions, Inc.<br>
698 Fishermans Bend<br>
Mount Pleasant, SC 29464<br>
Tel: <a href="tel:%28610%29%20644-2452" target="_blank">(610) 644-2452</a><br>
Mobile: <a href="tel:%28610%29%20613-3084" target="_blank">(610) 613-3084</a><br>
<a href="mailto:gfm@securityrs.com" target="_blank">gfm@securityrs.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.SecurityRiskSolutions.com" target="_blank">www.SecurityRiskSolutions.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/17/15 17:52, Dale Moberg wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am still refining my grip on assorted terminology that reveals aspects of the “business model” contexts for discussing our use cases.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just read the wikipedia entries for PHR and EhR (I know, but you have to start somewhere), at<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_health_record" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_health_record</a> and<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_health_record" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_health_record</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nominally viewed, there appears to be substantial intersections of the resource types (in a loose FHIR usage) found in these EhR and PHR records.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_health_record#EHRs.2C_PHRs.2C_patient_portals_and_UHRs" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_health_record#EHRs.2C_PHRs.2C_patient_portals_and_UHRs</a> it
is maintained that the “ownership” of the records is the primary semantic contrast between the terms. Interesting.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am particularly even more motivated in getting some information about the following statement:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"There are two methods by which data can arrive in a PHR.<sup><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_health_record#cite_note-Tang-1" target="_blank">[1]</a></sup> A patient
may enter it directly, either by typing into fields or uploading/transmitting data from a file or another website. The second is when the PHR is tethered to an electronic health record, which automatically updates the PHR.” <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know the “BLT” pertaining to the “tethering” process? Is this tethering something that is currently actually in operation, or is it mainly imagined as emerging once
FHIR dstu-X is completed? (And maybe UMA and HEART completed also?) <u></u><u></u></p>
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