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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for asking this question. I wasn’t sure if I was being overly dense but I didn’t get it either. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At a minimum I believe that the verticals are important as they help prioritize what needs to be modified about the underlying technology to be applicable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I thought about it for a specific topic – delegation. We need to be able to do that in healthcare for family care givers with family members that are developmentally disadvantaged (adult children) and for family members with Alzheimer’s for example We also end up doing it in the financial domain – I manage my elderly parents checking and social security information. Both are similar but the underlying requirements and cultures are hugely different. Trying to solve the problem for either in isolation would be very difficult and likely produce something that didn’t work for either.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t argue that there isn’t a lot of desirability to reuse Identity across domains but I don’t know about some of the other topics.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At the end of the day all relying parties would be better off if there was a unified solution across verticals due to economies of scale and so forth but I don’t think we are anywhere near that stage yet. The NSTIC program has been running for 5 years now. They are probably getting closer to Identity solutions that can be reused across verticals but I am suspicious of the notion that delegation for Health is the same problem as delegation for Finance for example in today’s real world. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aaron Seib, CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>@CaptBlueButton <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> (o) 301-540-2311<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(m) 301-326-6843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="nate-trust.org"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=205 height=48 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D0CF67.166F5300"></span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Openid-specs-heart [mailto:openid-specs-heart-bounces@lists.openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Josh Mandel<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 05, 2015 9:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> Adrian Gropper<br><b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-heart] Proposal for reworked use case AND use case template<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Adrian,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I take your point that the healthcare vertical must end somewhere, but I can't quite follow this argument:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt'>I suggest that authentication, authorization, delegation, and credential management... are ... not specific to any particular vertical. The OpenID Foundation and HEART are as good a place to deal with these standards ...</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But HEART is OpenID's <i>Health</i> Relationship Trust Workgroup; as such, it appears to be a health-vertical-oriented approach, even if the underlying technology isn't vertical-specific. I don't see many efforts defining (say) healthcare-specific alternatives to OAuth or SAML (or UMA). Instead, I see groups using those standards much the same way HEART is doing. But I may be missing the thrust of your argument.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What specifically are the stuffing-too-much-into-the-health-vertical activities that you are arguing against?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> -J<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>