<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Yes, agile. A handy def for agile might be:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div data-jiis="cc" id="gsr" style="max-height: 999999px; font-family: Roboto-Regular, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; "><div id="cnt" data-jiis="bp" style="max-height: 999999px; overflow-x: hidden; overflow-y: hidden; "><div class="center_col" id="center_col" style="max-height: 999999px; padding-top: 1px; padding-right: 8px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 8px; "><div class="main" data-jibp="h" data-jiis="uc" id="main" style="max-height: 999999px; "><div data-ved="0CBgQGmoVChMItpT2-bPsxgIVyDQ-Ch3LkAr7" style="max-height: 999999px; "><div class="_Bpd" data-async-context="query:agile" id="ires" style="max-height: 999999px; font-size: medium; "><ol id="rso" style="max-height: 999999px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><div class="srg" style="max-height: 999999px; "><div class="mnr-c blue" style="max-height: 999999px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-shadow: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0976562) 0px 2px 1px, rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.0976562) 0px 0px 1px; border-top-left-radius: 2px; border-top-right-radius: 2px; border-bottom-right-radius: 2px; border-bottom-left-radius: 2px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; overflow-x: hidden; overflow-y: hidden; "><li class="g card-section" style="max-height: 999999px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 11px; padding-right: 16px; padding-bottom: 11px; padding-left: 16px; list-style-type: none; list-style-position: initial; list-style-image: initial; display: block; font-family: Roboto-Regular, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div class="rc" data-hveid="49" style="max-height: 999999px; position: relative; "><div class="s" style="max-height: 999999px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="max-height: 999999px; "><span class="st" data-hveid="51" style="max-height: 999999px; word-wrap: break-word; "><span class="f" style="max-height: 999999px; color: rgb(119, 119, 119); ">- </span><em>Agile</em> software development is a group of software development methods in which requirements and solutions evolve through collaboration between self-organizing, cross-functional teams.</span></div></div></div></li></div></div></ol></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps, I am suggesting, we evolve the description of the requirements reusing what Argonaut has solved for to more explicitly delineate the greener-field aspects where UMA et al. compliment the solution space ?</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:10px;color:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone</div></div><br><br><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Debbie Bucci <debbucci@gmail.com> </div><div>Date:07/21/2015 9:47 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Aaron Seib <aaron.seib@nate-trust.org> </div><div>Cc: Adrian Gropper <agropper@healthurl.com>, Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu>, openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-heart] Public FHIR Endpoints - are there any OAUTH endpoints to register and test </div><div><br></div><p dir="ltr">Eve posted a great visual a few weeks back. Both UMA and OpenID Connect are layered on TOP of OAuth.<br>
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We need to start somewhere and focusing on the base seems the appropriate place to start from my POV.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I personally need to build to see...in order to understand the changes/adjustments that may need to be made to the base as we build upon it.<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Agile right? </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 21, 2015 8:51 AM, "Aaron Seib" <<a href="mailto:aaron.seib@nate-trust.org">aaron.seib@nate-trust.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I am in the same boat as Justin – Dragon and I had a sidebar about this a week or so back and came to the same conclusion. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The Use case should determine what is employed. I am a visual guy – if we had a set of concentric circles OAUTH would be the center, a band of both OAUTH and UMA would surround that and then UMA would be the outer band.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Probably not helpful without some arrows that label the use case supported by each band but that is the way I have pictured it. I am not sure that visualization stands up as I don’t know that you ever have a use case with UMA in isolation of OAUTH. Can someone correct me?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It might help to spell out a specific use case in the legacy language of disclosure based on push:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="color:black"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:black">EMR<sub>1</sub> sends protected health data to PHR<sub>A</sub>; <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="color:black"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:black">Consumer using PHR<sub>A </sub>sends content from (1) to EMR<sub>2</sub><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="color:black"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:black">EMR<sub>2</sub> receives content and its workflow can differentiate between PGHD and data that is unchanged since it left EMR<sub>1</sub>.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Could anyone on this thread convert this transaction into the OAUTH\UMA domain so that a layman would understand?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Aaron Seib, CEO<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">@CaptBlueButton <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> (o) <a href="tel:301-540-2311" value="+13015402311" target="_blank">301-540-2311</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(m) <a href="tel:301-326-6843" value="+13013266843" target="_blank">301-326-6843</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://nate-trust.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="205" height="48" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D0C392.6334CA70"></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></blockquote></div></body>