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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am in the same boat as Justin – Dragon and I had a sidebar about this a week or so back and came to the same conclusion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Use case should determine what is employed. I am a visual guy – if we had a set of concentric circles OAUTH would be the center, a band of both OAUTH and UMA would surround that and then UMA would be the outer band.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Probably not helpful without some arrows that label the use case supported by each band but that is the way I have pictured it. I am not sure that visualization stands up as I don’t know that you ever have a use case with UMA in isolation of OAUTH. Can someone correct me?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It might help to spell out a specific use case in the legacy language of disclosure based on push:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>EMR<sub>1</sub> sends protected health data to PHR<sub>A</sub>; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>Consumer using PHR<sub>A </sub>sends content from (1) to EMR<sub>2</sub><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:black'>EMR<sub>2</sub> receives content and its workflow can differentiate between PGHD and data that is unchanged since it left EMR<sub>1</sub>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Could anyone on this thread convert this transaction into the OAUTH\UMA domain so that a layman would understand?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Aaron Seib, CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>@CaptBlueButton <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> (o) 301-540-2311<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(m) 301-326-6843<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="nate-trust.org"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=205 height=48 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D0C392.6334CA70"></span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Openid-specs-heart [mailto:openid-specs-heart-bounces@lists.openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Justin Richer<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Adrian Gropper<br><b>Cc:</b> openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-heart] Public FHIR Endpoints - are there any OAUTH endpoints to register and test<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That’s not true: We’re doing UMA where UMA makes sense. We’re doing OAuth where OAuth makes sense. We’re doing both in parallel when both in parallel make sense.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At least, that’s what I got from the discussion of the previous thread of options, though I’m potentially biased because this is the direction that I thought we should go.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> — Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 21, 2015, at 12:52 AM, Adrian Gropper <<a href="mailto:agropper@healthurl.com">agropper@healthurl.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm confused. Either HEART is doing UMA or we're not. OAuth alone, at least as I understand it does not meet key issues of the HEART Charter.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What am I missing here? Is HEART just going to tag along behind FHIR or are we going to lead?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Adrian<br><br>On Monday, July 20, 2015, Debbie Bucci <<a href="mailto:debbucci@gmail.com">debbucci@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I would also like to propose that we look at the Argonaut backend services because it's closest to our profiles . Let's pretend a phr is a trusted back end service.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If I am way off base - correct me.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 20, 2015 5:42 PM, "Debbie Bucci" <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','debbucci@gmail.com');" target="_blank">debbucci@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi everyone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I see this is the current list </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=Publicly_Available_FHIR_Servers_for_testing" target="_blank">http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=Publicly_Available_FHIR_Servers_for_testing</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I know for certain some of you are building your own Sandboxes (+1). Is it possible to get an informal interop going? May help us with the profile discussions. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Deb</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Adrian Gropper MD<span style='font-size:7.5pt'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ensure Health Information Privacy. Support Patient Privacy Rights.<br><a href="http://patientprivacyrights.org/donate-2/" target="_blank">http://patientprivacyrights.org/donate-2/</a><u><span style='color:blue'> </span></u></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Openid-specs-heart mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net">Openid-specs-heart@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-heart">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-heart</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>