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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dick Hardt, SignIn.org<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Erik Gustavson, Google<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brian Rose, Sailpoint<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Matt Domsch, Sailpoint<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Wesley Dunnington, Ping Identity<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Pam Dingle, Microsoft<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Zhen Chien Chia, Microsoft<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Darin McAdams, Amazon<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sing-Yoong Khew, Amazon<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Notes:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This was a 7 hour in-person meeting in Seattle. The main thrust was to test the spec against a wide range of edge cases, such as retries and updates, that hadn’t previously been examined together. There was
a great deal of whiteboarding and deliberation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">By-and-large, it held up. We did accumulate the following list of suggested updates:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">7.2.2.2 – Clarify that last paragraph is non-normative best practice guidance.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">7.2.2.3 – Clarify that the 3rd paragraph is normative. IdP WILL make a choice of the preferences.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Double-check if any UX guidance in the normative spec should be moved into a best practices doc.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Clarify that the list of Capabilities in the App Metadata are specific to the FastFed relationship. (App could return different capabilities to different
audiences.)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Today, “Provider” and “Tenant ID” are two separate fields. Implementors must combine them to form a unique string for a given Provider+Tenant. It can
be a non-trivial task to concatenate safely (“what’s the right delimiter?”) with security implications if done naively. To remove this risk and be consistent (and less confusing) compared to other standards, require a unique ID in the metadata. Similar to
SAML EntityID. Can still include the separate fields in metadata, as they serve other purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Update the JWTs used by FastFed to use the unique ID (prior bullet) in the “iss”. Remove “sub”.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Clarify Section 7.2.4 Handshake Finalization to emphasize that all pipes must be connected and ready when this step is done.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Be more prescriptive on how to handle changes in the underlying SAML/SCIM/OIDC metadata. For example, the SAML Profile is currently prescriptive about
certificate rotation, but is silent regarding how to behave if other attributes in the SAML Metadata are mutated.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Clarify that the FastFed Handshake is applicable to both the initial creation + update scenarios. Clarify how to handle updates, either in the spec or
best practices.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If the federation data is accidentally wiped by one Provider, verify that FastFed can be used to re-establish the relationship. Specifically, it shouldn’t
choke because one party still holds the configuration. (We think this is true, should test during implementation.)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Add an example showing the use of SCIM schema extensions in the list of required attributes.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Provider Contact Information is accidentally missing in the App Metadata<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Terminology discussion:<o:p></o:p></span>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Consider using “IdP Discovery” instead of just “Discovery”<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Consider using “Desires” (or similar) when describing the capabilities the App is sharing with the IdP.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Consider using “Contract” (or similar) when describing the contents of the registration flow, to distinguish from the other metadata.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The following were discussed, but not resolved:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Should we be able to mimic an IdP-initiated FastFed flow that simply redirects to the right page in the App? This allows IdPs to provide a catalog of
apps with SSO setup instructions. The challenge is that each customer within an application may have different, tenant-specific, URLs for setting up SSO with FastFed. Can’t just put 1 URL into an IdP catalog. Also, not clear how the IdP administrator would
hand-over the flow to the App administrator when they are different people. IdP owners to ponder the desired experience in more depth.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Should it be possible to setup multiple authentication protocols in parallel? E.g. both SAML and OIDC. This is possible in migration scenarios, especially
as people shift from SAML->OIDC. While FastFed supports this, the majority of the attendees are currently unable to persist multiple authn protocols for a single app. Should the spec allow providers to signal if they support multiple protocols? Requires more
thought. Darin to include a strawman approach in next spec revision.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Next Deadlines for the WG:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jan 17: Darin finishes incorporating existing feedback into the spec. Update the revision to ‘02’.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jan 20 – March 1: WG applies final polish to the spec.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">March 1: Working Group submits the spec to OpenID Foundation members as proposed implementation draft. (Mandatory 45-day wait period before vote.)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">April 27: OpenID Foundation Meeting. Vote on Implementors Draft<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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