<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">I'm not sure I follow your argument.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">1. Mobile works fine with OAuth</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">2. A PISP is a lightweight technology service provider that allows a merchant to receive payments into their bank account directly from their customers bank accounts. Big merchants will be their own PISPs, but many small to medium size retailers will use a PISP (or indeed their existing payments platform will become a PSIP, e.g. Ayden: <a href="https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/33411/adyen-launches-open-banking-powered-payment-method" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.finextra.com/newsarticle/33411/adyen-launches-open-banking-powered-payment-method</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 10:40, Anders Rundgren via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear list,<br>
I hope you don't get too annoyed by my sometimes slightly "deviating" postings.<br>
<br>
Anyway, this article<br>
<a href="https://medium.com/oauth-2/transaction-authorization-or-why-we-need-to-re-think-oauth-scopes-2326e2038948" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://medium.com/oauth-2/transaction-authorization-or-why-we-need-to-re-think-oauth-scopes-2326e2038948</a><br>
triggered me to once again reiterate what I consider a core problem with the FAPI vision.<br>
<br>
In my opinion (supported by massive amounts of real-world deployments), payment transaction requests are rendered and authorized on mobile devices which seems to be at odds with the server-centric OAuth way of doing things.<br>
<br>
It all really boils down to the question: do "Financial Services" and "Consumer Payments" actually benefit from using the same technology?<br>
<br>
A related question is the value of a Payment Initiation Service. As far as I can see it is essentially a "firewall" between the merchant and the user's bank. The need for such a firewall is not evident.<br>
<br>
I believe this part of Open Banking needs a refresh where the PIS concept is replaced by something else like e-money institutions issuing virtual payment cards. Performing bank selection in the PIS and (optionally) account selection in the bank seems very fuzzy compared to simply selecting a card in a consistent user interface. That there is no generally accepted "Wallet" out there is of course a snag.<br>
<br>
thanx,<br>
Anders<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Openid-specs-fapi mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">Openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-fapi" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-fapi</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:1em;font-weight:bold;line-height:1.4"><div style="color:rgb(97,97,97);font-family:"Open Sans";font-size:14px;font-weight:normal;line-height:21px"><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:0.925em;line-height:1.4;color:rgb(220,41,30);font-weight:bold"><div style="font-size:14px;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;line-height:normal"><div style="color:rgb(0,164,183);font-weight:bold;font-size:1em;line-height:1.4"><div style="font-weight:400;color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:normal"><div style="color:rgb(0,164,183);font-weight:bold;font-size:1em;line-height:1.4">Dave Tonge</div><div style="font-size:0.8125em;line-height:1.4">CTO</div><div style="font-size:0.8125em;line-height:1.4;margin:0px"><a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fmoneyhubenterprise.com%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGUnR5opJv5S1uZOVg8aISwPKAv3A" style="color:rgb(131,94,165)" target="_blank"><img alt="Moneyhub Enterprise" height="50" src="http://content.moneyhub.co.uk/images/teal_Moneyhub-Ent_logo_200x50.png" title="Moneyhub Enterprise" width="200" style="border: none; padding: 0px; border-radius: 2px; margin: 7px;"></a></div><div style="padding:8px 0px"><div style="padding:8px 0px"><div style="letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal"><div style="padding:8px 0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,164,183);font-size:11px">Moneyhub Financial Technology, 5th Floor, 10 Temple Back, Bristol, BS1 6FL</span></div><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:15.925px;color:rgb(0,164,183);font-weight:bold">t: </span><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:15.925px">+44 (0)117 280 5120</span><br style="color:rgb(0,164,183);font-size:11px;line-height:15.925px"></div><div style="letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:11px;line-height:15.925px"><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(97,97,97);font-family:"Open Sans";letter-spacing:normal"><div style="line-height:1.4"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.75em">Moneyhub Enterprise is a trading style of Moneyhub Financial Technology Limited which is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority ("FCA"). Moneyhub Financial Technology is entered on the Financial Services Register </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.75em;background-color:transparent">(FRN </span><span style="color:rgb(0,164,183);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;font-size:10.5px;font-weight:700">809360</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em">) at <a href="http://fca.org.uk/register" target="_blank">fca.org.uk/register</a>. M</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-size:10.5px">oneyhub</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em"> Financial Technology is registered in England & Wales, company registration number </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em"> </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,164,183);font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em">06909772</span><span style="background-color:transparent"><font color="#333333" face="lato, open sans, arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:0.75em"> .</span></font></span></div><div style="font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:1.4"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:10.5px">Moneyhub</span><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em"> Financial Technology Limited 2018 </span><span style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:x-small">©</span></div><div style="font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:1.4"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:lato,"open sans",arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:1.4"><span style="background-color:transparent;font-size:0.75em;color:rgb(136,136,136)">DISCLAIMER: This email (including any attachments) is subject to copyright, and the information in it is confidential. Use of this email or of any information in it other than by the addressee is unauthorised and unlawful. Whilst reasonable efforts are made to ensure that any attachments are virus-free, it is the recipient's sole responsibility to scan all attachments for viruses. All calls and emails to and from this company may be monitored and recorded for legitimate purposes relating to this company's business. Any opinions expressed in this email (or in any attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Moneyhub Financial Technology Limited or of any other group company.</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>