<div dir="ltr">how is it possible to determine if a jwt is a software statement? The presence of "software-id"?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Peace ..tom</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Hjelm, Bjorn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bjorn.Hjelm@verizonwireless.com" target="_blank">Bjorn.Hjelm@verizonwireless.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Tom Jones <<a href="mailto:thomasclinganjones@gmail.com" target="_blank">thomasclinganjones@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I don't think the infrastructure exists to do this. If there were real working framework, such as open banking has created.<br>
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On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Hjelm, Bjorn via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-fapi@lists.<wbr>openid.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Pam,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I believe that the logical audience would work for the use case in MODRNA as well (for example, “As a participant in Mobile Connect,” etc.).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Openid-specs-fapi [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-fapi-<wbr>bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pamela Dingle via Openid-specs-fapi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 29, 2017 8:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Financial API Working Group List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E] Re: [Openid-specs-fapi] Verification: non-compliant JWT audience<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Given our short time frame, the first goal is to get to spec compliance. Based on feedback both during the call and on this thread I think we can safely move to request that audience be removed from the software
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<p class="MsoNormal">Long term, I see a lot of advantage to creating a logical audience for the assertion, essentially the ASPSP would know itself by several names and respond to assertions designated for any name:<u></u><u></u></p>
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As itself, with an explicit issuer name<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
As a participant in UK Openbanking<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
As a an ASPSP in UK OpenBanking<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">
Possibly as an ASPSP suppporting the AISP software role for UK Open Banking.. etc<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This may not be critical for the first phase, but I see the concept possibly becoming a big deal as additional competent authorities come online, and it becomes likely that a given ASPSP may start processing software statements issued by
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also think that you should ban question like this that are not issues.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can anyone here comment on whether they use or make technology that CANNOT override the standard RFC7519 JWT audience validation requirements?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know that the jose4j library allows the ability to override the rules set out in <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7519-23section-2D4.1.3&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=NMZJHCV8pjvGIH2fTx9z6l7g7-V-a2xW7ISf9uHdz0A&m=D5-orHImKQftmdCiwV0fsC85YLX7oxz3dr72eE1Y3jU&s=XB8A9XpFSiCkp7WJoBT1d4fjI3FYSDJOk0ewQJox71g&e=" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/<wbr>html/rfc7519#section-4.1.3</a> but
I don't know if that is a common feature of other libraries. As I read those rules, any entity that receives a JWT with an aud claim populated but which does not have the entity itself listed as a recipient should reject that JWT.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In this case we are talking about validating software statements in a dynamic client requests -- if the software statement is generated with an audience set to be the client requesting the software statement, technically every AS the client
tries to post that statement to should reject the statement, since the aud claim does not reference them directly. Any opinions on whether at the end of the day this is a serious compliance issue (or not), and/or a real problem for implementers (or not) would
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