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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If I can make a suggestion, this would be to focus on ‘nationality’ and forget about ‘citizenship’, which often relates to the exercise of civil & political rights in a given country or environment (such as, critically, the right to vote) and tend to be country/situation-specific. In France, you are a French citizen when you are a French national <b><u>and</u> </b>have the right to vote (i.e. over 18 years-old).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The other reason to focus on nationality is that this is what is relevant for the <a href="https://www.icao.int/publications/Documents/9303_p3_cons_en.pdf">ICAO 9303 Doc specs on Machine-Readable Travel documents</a> (passports). This makes an explicit reference to ‘Nationality’ – not to Citizenship.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And, incidentally, you obviously can have more than one nationality – my wife and daughters have two (French & British). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Lastly, although I can think of use cases where citizenship as opposed to nationality would be relevant (access to polling stations maybe?), I am not sure these should be treated as a priority…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Stéphane <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>De :</b> Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces@lists.openid.net> <b>De la part de</b> Torsten Lodderstedt via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida<br><b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 13 mai 2021 10:40<br><b>À :</b> OpenID eKYC Identity Assurance Working Group <openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net><br><b>Cc :</b> Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten@lodderstedt.net><br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Sascha,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>interesting question ;-) We had a long discussion about nationality and nationalities in the early days of eKYC. The consensus was that a person can indeed have more than one nationally. That’s why we made it an array.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Because you raised the question, I just looked it up as well and it seems nationally can be used to designate both: the country where you were born as well as the citizenship with a country granted to a person.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Torsten.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sascha Preibisch via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a>> schrieb am Do. 13. Mai 2021 um 06:29:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Today at the meeting I looked at the term 'nationalities' and wondered if that is accurate. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If I am not mistaken anyone can have exactly one nationality which represents the country a person was born in. Citizenship on the other hand is granted to a person. For example, my nationality is German but in addition I could become a Canadian citizen. The list of citizenships would be German, Canadian, nationalities only German.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Therefore, shall we rethink where we use one vs. the other?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sascha<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Openid-specs-ekyc-ida mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">Openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ekyc-ida" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-ekyc-ida</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>