<div dir="ltr">I only brought up this topic because I am a German (nationality: German) living in Canada. Here I can apply for a Canadian citizenship. As I have just learned, the Canadian passport would say: Nationality: Canadian.<div><br></div><div>With that I would have two nationalities, although only one per passport.</div><div><br></div><div>Having that in mind, I think 'nationalities' will work fine in the context of eKYC.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Sascha</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 11:10, Peter Bainbridge-Clayton via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I think the important thing to bear in mind is that even for people with dual (or more!) nationalities, any one ID document only shows the nationality granted by one jurisdiction, so the verification is dependent on the document they choose to use for that
service, irrespective of what other nationalities they may have. </div>
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<div id="gmail-m_-2522545233300262253divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>> on behalf of Mark Haine via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2021 16:14<br>
<b>To:</b> Mischa Salle <<a href="mailto:msalle@nikhef.nl" target="_blank">msalle@nikhef.nl</a>>; OpenID eKYC Identity Assurance Working Group <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Haine <mark@considrd.consulting><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships</font>
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<div>I think there maybe many different rules for different countries.<br>
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In the case of Ireland a person is entitled to Irish citizenship if their parent or grandparent was born on the island of Ireland (including Northern Ireland which is actually part of the United Kingdom). A somewhat extreme example I suspect.<br>
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I would suggest we stay away from the rules of how citizenship and nationality are established and focus on communicating the status at the point of verification.<br>
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On 13/05/2021, 11:13, "Openid-specs-ekyc-ida on behalf of Mischa Salle via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida" <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> on behalf of <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 10:39:35AM +0200, Torsten Lodderstedt via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida wrote:<br>
> Hi Sascha,<br>
> <br>
> interesting question ;-) We had a long discussion about nationality and<br>
> nationalities in the early days of eKYC. The consensus was that a person<br>
> can indeed have more than one nationally. That’s why we made it an array.<br>
> <br>
> Because you raised the question, I just looked it up as well and it seems<br>
> nationally can be used to designate both: the country where you were born<br>
> as well as the citizenship with a country granted to a person.<br>
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Out of curiosity, how does that work for temporary residents in<br>
countries like The Netherlands or Finland where citizenship goes via<br>
that of the parents and not via that of the country of birth. For<br>
example, if someone with Dutch parents is born in Finland, the child<br>
only gets Dutch citizenship and a Dutch passport. Are you saying they<br>
can also claim Finish nationality?<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
Mischa<br>
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> Sascha Preibisch via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <<br>
> <a href="mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-ekyc-ida@lists.openid.net</a>> schrieb am Do. 13. Mai 2021 um<br>
> 06:29:<br>
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> > Hi all!<br>
> ><br>
> > Today at the meeting I looked at the term 'nationalities' and wondered if<br>
> > that is accurate.<br>
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> > If I am not mistaken anyone can have exactly one nationality which<br>
> > represents the country a person was born in. Citizenship on the other<br>
> > hand is granted to a person. For example, my nationality is German but<br>
> > in addition I could become a Canadian citizen. The list of citizenships<br>
> > would be German, Canadian, nationalities only German.<br>
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> > Therefore, shall we rethink where we use one vs. the other?<br>
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> > Thanks,<br>
> > Sascha<br>
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