[OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships

Thu May 13 18:51:29 UTC 2021

I only brought up this topic because I am a German (nationality: German)
living in Canada. Here I can apply for a Canadian citizenship. As I have
just learned, the Canadian passport would say: Nationality: Canadian.

With that I would have two nationalities, although only one per passport.

Having that in mind, I think 'nationalities' will work fine in the context
of eKYC.

Thanks,
Sascha

On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 11:10, Peter Bainbridge-Clayton via
Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> wrote:

> I think the important thing to bear in mind is that even for people with
> dual (or more!) nationalities, any one ID document only shows the
> nationality granted by one jurisdiction, so the verification is dependent
> on the document they choose to use for that service, irrespective of what
> other nationalities they may have.
>
> Pete
>
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> *From:* Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <
> openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces at lists.openid.net> on behalf of Mark Haine
> via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>
> *Sent:* 13 May 2021 16:14
> *To:* Mischa Salle <msalle at nikhef.nl>; OpenID eKYC Identity Assurance
> Working Group <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>
> *Cc:* Mark Haine <mark at considrd.consulting>
> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships
>
> I think there maybe many different rules for different countries.
>
> In the case of Ireland a person is entitled to Irish citizenship if their
> parent or grandparent was born on the island of Ireland (including Northern
> Ireland which is actually part of the United Kingdom).  A somewhat extreme
> example I suspect.
>
> I would suggest we stay away from the rules of how citizenship and
> nationality are established and focus on communicating the status at the
> point of verification.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 13/05/2021, 11:13, "Openid-specs-ekyc-ida on behalf of Mischa Salle
> via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida" <openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces at lists.openid.net
> on behalf of openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 10:39:35AM +0200, Torsten Lodderstedt via
> Openid-specs-ekyc-ida wrote:
>     > Hi Sascha,
>     >
>     > interesting question ;-) We had a long discussion about nationality
> and
>     > nationalities in the early days of eKYC. The consensus was that a
> person
>     > can indeed have more than one nationally. That’s why we made it an
> array.
>     >
>     > Because you raised the question, I just looked it up as well and it
> seems
>     > nationally can be used to designate both: the country where you were
> born
>     > as well as the citizenship with a country granted to a person.
>
>     Out of curiosity, how does that work for temporary residents in
>     countries like The Netherlands or Finland where citizenship goes via
>     that of the parents and not via that of the country of birth. For
>     example, if someone with Dutch parents is born in Finland, the child
>     only gets Dutch citizenship and a Dutch passport. Are you saying they
>     can also claim Finish nationality?
>
>     Best wishes,
>     Mischa
>
>     > Sascha Preibisch via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <
>     > openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> schrieb am Do. 13. Mai 2021
> um
>     > 06:29:
>     >
>     > > Hi all!
>     > >
>     > > Today at the meeting I looked at the term 'nationalities' and
> wondered if
>     > > that is accurate.
>     > >
>     > > If I am not mistaken anyone can have exactly one nationality which
>     > > represents the country a person was born in. Citizenship on the
> other
>     > > hand is granted to a person. For example, my nationality is German
> but
>     > > in addition I could become a Canadian citizen. The list of
> citizenships
>     > > would be German, Canadian, nationalities only German.
>     > >
>     > > Therefore, shall we rethink where we use one vs. the other?
>     > >
>     > > Thanks,
>     > > Sascha
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