[OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships

[Stephane MOUY]

If I can make a suggestion, this would be to focus on ‘nationality’ and forget about ‘citizenship’, which often relates to the exercise of civil & political rights in a given country or environment (such as, critically, the right to vote) and tend to be country/situation-specific. In France, you are a French citizen when you are a French national and have the right to vote (i.e. over 18 years-old).

 

The other reason to focus on nationality is that this is what is relevant for the ICAO 9303 Doc specs on Machine-Readable Travel documents <https://www.icao.int/publications/Documents/9303_p3_cons_en.pdf>  (passports). This makes an explicit reference to ‘Nationality’ – not to Citizenship.

And, incidentally, you obviously can have more than one nationality – my wife and daughters have two (French & British). 

 

Lastly, although I can think of use cases where citizenship as opposed to nationality would be relevant (access to polling stations maybe?), I am not sure these should be treated as a priority…

Hope this helps.

 

Stéphane 

 

De : Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces at lists.openid.net> De la part de Torsten Lodderstedt via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida
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Objet : Re: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships

 

Hi Sascha,

 

interesting question ;-) We had a long discussion about nationality and nationalities in the early days of eKYC. The consensus was that a person can indeed have more than one nationally. That’s why we made it an array.

 

Because you raised the question, I just looked it up as well and it seems nationally can be used to designate both: the country where you were born as well as the citizenship with a country granted to a person.

 

best regards,

Torsten.

 

 

 

Sascha Preibisch via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net <mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> > schrieb am Do. 13. Mai 2021 um 06:29:

Hi all!

 

Today at the meeting I looked at the term 'nationalities' and wondered if that is accurate. 

 

If I am not mistaken anyone can have exactly one nationality which represents the country a person was born in. Citizenship on the other hand is granted to a person. For example, my nationality is German but in addition I could become a Canadian citizen. The list of citizenships would be German, Canadian, nationalities only German.

 

Therefore, shall we rethink where we use one vs. the other?

 

Thanks,

Sascha

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