[OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] Salutation as a claim

Marcos Sanz sanz at denic.de
Thu Jan 30 08:51:19 UTC 2020

> Passports do not give a salutation, but do give gender and age - which 
> allow the correct salutation to be derived in many languages.


> Just to complicate matters, have you noticed how some 'woke' individuals 
> specify their preferred pronoun when introducing themselves  So a 
> transgender man (formerly a woman) might specify 'he', even when his 
> passport shows female, while another individual might prefer to be vague 
> about gender and be referred to as 'they', despite the apparent mistake 
> between singular and plural. But this is all perhaps a step too far.

Yes, I noticed. But I don't understand if you are trying to imply with 
it that "salutation" is something so individual, original and 
underivable that should be stored as a claim at your IdP/Claims 
Provider, regardless of whether it can be verified/attested or not.


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> Cc: "Marcos Sanz" <sanz at denic.de <mailto:sanz at denic.de>>
> Sent: 29/01/2020 16:15:04
> Subject: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] Salutation as a claim
>> Hi all,
>> while talking about (or, better said, "only hearing")
>> https://bitbucket.org/openid/ekyc-ida/issues/1088/register-new-claims-in-oauth-jwt-claims
>> in today's call, the claim "salutation" got my attention.
>> I know it has been there from the beginning. I have been thinking 
>> about it and am not sure why this should a claim in the sense of a 
>> proved/verified/assured property of an natural person. Salutation 
>> might depend on the gender, the language, the social context... even 
>> the time of the day! I don't think we'll find an evidence document 
>> proving a salutation.
>> I've seen lots of databases storing the salutation along with the 
>> personal data of a person in order to make easy to write personalized 
>> emails/letters, but that's completely another context. I'd love to 
>> hear your thoughts about this before I open any issue in the tracker.
>> Best,
>> Marcos
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