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    <p>Hi all,</p>
    <p>here are today's meeting notes:</p>
    <p>participants:<br>
      - Paul Bastian<br>
      - Joseph Heenan<br>
      - Kristina Yasuda<br>
      - Andres Olave<br>
      - Bjorn Hjelm<br>
      - Brian Campbell<br>
      - Christian Bormann<br>
      - Daniel Fett<br>
      - David Zeuthen<br>
      - Gareth Oliver<br>
      - Hicham Lozi<br>
      - Robert Gallaher<br>
      - Michael Jones<br>
      - Oliver Terbu<br>
      - Oriol Canades Diez<br>
      - Peter Sorotokin<br>
      - Rejvardhan Deshmukh<br>
      - Tobias Looker<br>
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      updates:<br>
      - next Thursday call is extended to two hours, 5-7pm CEST to
      tackle more issues before getting specs to final<br>
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      OpenId4VP:<br>
      - vote starts in less than 2 weeks, 16th of June<br>
      - Issue #613<br>
        - naming conflict between verifier_attestation (client_id
      prefix) and verifier_attestations (additional assertions about the
      Verifier metadata)<br>
        - unsure if there are people using verifier_attestation<br>
        - verifier_attestations is quite new, so likely also few
      implementations<br>
        proposal to rename verifier_attestations -> verifier_info<br>
      - PR#614 -> no contribution agreement<br>
      - PR#597<br>
        - proposal by Kristina<br>
          - define apu/apv for ECDH-ES JWE in 1.0<br>
          - when JOSE-HPKE is available define in 1.1<br>
        - Mike: authors are trying to push for WGLC for JOSE-HPKE,
      define apu/apv in profiles<br>
        - Christian: profiles is complicated because you need to
      communicate the profile, better in OpenID4VP<br>
        - Joseph agrees with Christian, define apu/apv in VP is making
      ecosystem easier<br>
        - Oliver agrees with VP option, less optionality, better
      interoperability<br>
        - Paul agrees as well<br>
        - Brian has concerns, especially about canonicalization, likely
      source of failures<br>
        - Gareth points out we have implementation experience with
      SessionTranscript in mdoc<br>
        - Paul points out this was in CBOR, Joseph agrees<br>
        - Oliver proposes reusing SessionTranscript<br>
        - Brian, Kristina and Joseph not feeling comfortable to mandate
      CBOR<br>
        - Tobias: errors in decoding appear immediately because
      decryption fails<br>
        - Christian: do not use delimiters<br>
        - latest proposal see:
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/597#issuecomment-2936923410">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/597#issuecomment-2936923410</a><br>
        - Gareth to make a proposal PR<br>
      - PR#509 on privacy considerations has some open discussion<br>
        - discussion passive outsider unobservality -> agreement to
      drop it<br>
        - discussion on accuracy/quality -> agreement to drop first
      bullet point, too vague<br>
        - dropping requirement to wallet keep verifier's privacy notice<br>
        - keeping considerations about Wallet/Verifier having
      responsibilities for PII data received through OpenID4VP<br>
        - please review!<br>
      - OpenID4VCI<br>
        - no outstanding issues that needs to be discussed<br>
        - but 20 open PRs<br>
        - label "reviews-needed" -> please review!<br>
        - label "priority" -> bigger normative change<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/3/25 01:18, Kristina Yasuda via
      Openid-specs-digital-credentials-protocols wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Below is proposed agenda for tomorrow's US
                          friendly call (9pm Germany time) on the usual
                          zoom, <a
href="https://zoom.us/j/94085567252?pwd=cHNFMExFalhlM2MrOFhoN3J6eDRuZz09"
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                            <li>OIDF Antitrust Policy at <a
                                href="http://www.openid.net/antitrust"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.openid.net/antitrust</a>
                              applies / IPR reminder</li>
                            <li>Note-taking</li>
                            <li>Updates</li>
                            <li><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">OpenID4VP</span></li>
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                              <li><b>Issue to discuss</b></li>
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                                <li><a
href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/613" target="_blank"
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                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/613</a></li>
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                              <li>PR to discuss</li>
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                                <li><a
href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/597"
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                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pull/597</a></li>
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                              <li>please review the rest of PRs!</li>
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                                <li><a
href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pulls" target="_blank"
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                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pulls</a></li>
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                            <li>OpenID4VCI</li>
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                              <li><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">please
                                  review PRs: </span><a
href="https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pulls" target="_blank"
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                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VCI/pulls</a>.
                                we added labels to them to help you with
                                prioritizing the reviews</li>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:700;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">about
                                    HAIP... </span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline">there
                                    are few PRs that need to be reviewed
                                    too: </span><a
href="https://github.com/openid/oid4vc-haip/pulls"
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline">https://github.com/openid/oid4vc-haip/pulls</span></a></p>
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                          <div>If anyone has any specific topics they’d
                            like to cover please reply to this email or
                            ask at the start of the call.</div>
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                        <div>Thank you!</div>
                        <div>Kristina</div>
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